<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224</id><updated>2012-02-01T23:08:20.016-08:00</updated><category term='therapy'/><category term='dissociation'/><category term='AA'/><category term='trauma'/><category term='Type A Alcoholoics'/><category term='trust'/><category term='isolation'/><category term='medication'/><category term='relationships'/><category term='treatment'/><category term='depression'/><category term='spirituality'/><category term='grounding'/><category term='betrayal'/><category term='family of choice'/><category term='emdr'/><category term='group therapy'/><category term='masculinity'/><category term='holidays'/><category term='Addiction'/><category term='12-step'/><category term='tolerance'/><category term='Stockholm Syndrome'/><category term='sexuality'/><category term='pseudo-seizures'/><category term='flashbacks'/><category term='Type B alcoholics'/><category term='friends'/><category term='12 step programs'/><category term='PTSD'/><title type='text'>PTSD and Me</title><subtitle type='html'>hmmm...this is the place I will work through some of the more personal aspects of my journey through ptsd.  Some are not polite or pleasant,--hence the anonymity--but they are mine. Everybody's different.  Maybe you will relate, maybe not.  I am not a professional, I am just offering my own experiences.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>46</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-114499046803752323</id><published>2015-01-01T21:44:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-31T22:19:17.090-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Addiction'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='AA'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Stockholm Syndrome'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='therapy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='flashbacks'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trauma'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='depression'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='12 step programs'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pseudo-seizures'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Type B alcoholics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='grounding'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='medication'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='betrayal'/><title type='text'>Sticky:  Guide to the blog</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Latest Post: &lt;/b&gt;&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2011/09/open-letter-to-someone-who-is-looking.html"&gt;An open letter to someone who is looking for help&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;(9/6/2011),&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;New!&lt;/span&gt; Now you can &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default"&gt;subscribe to PTSD and Me&lt;/a&gt; to keep up with new posts and comments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is sort of the "best of" section where I'll link to the blog entries people seem to read the most. Perhaps I ought to have a page on "What is PTSD" but lots of others have already done that, so I'll just link to them &lt;a href="http://www.focusas.com/PTSD.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/ncmain/information/what_is.jsp"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.sidran.org/sub.cfm?contentID=76&amp;amp;sectionid=4"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.sidran.org/pdf/Hope_for_Recovery.pdf"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (pdf) [&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;n.b.: New links, updated 12/8/08&lt;/span&gt;].&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People in crisis often want to know where they can get help. &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/grounding-exercises-for-ptsd-symptoms.html"&gt;Grounding exercises&lt;/a&gt; for PTSD can help get us through the short term. Here is a comprehensive list of &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/comprehensive-list-of-us-treatment.html"&gt;US treatment centers&lt;/a&gt; that specialize in PTSD. That is of course assuming you are privileged enough to have access to these resources. &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-race-class-homelessness-and-money.html"&gt;Not everyone is&lt;/a&gt;.  And in case I forget next winter, here are some tips on &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2008/12/ptsd-and-holidays-revisited.html"&gt;PTSD and the holidays&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;One of the most disturbing symptoms of PTSD is &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-reactions.html"&gt;flashbacks&lt;/a&gt;, especially when they result in "&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/ptsd-flashbacks-and-pseudo-seizures.html"&gt;non-epilectic seizures&lt;/a&gt;" or what a doctor might have called "&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/ptsd-flashbacks-and-pseudo-seizures.html"&gt;pseudo-seizures&lt;/a&gt;," though there is nothing "pseudo" about them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/choosing-therapist-for-people-with.html"&gt;Picking a therapist&lt;/a&gt; can be difficult for someone with PTSD, because often times the PTSD itself messes with our pickers. Through necessity and trial and error and generous borrowing of other people's wisdom, I've come up with a brief subjective &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/choosing-therapist-for-people-with.html"&gt;guide&lt;/a&gt; on how to choose a therapist for ptsd. It contains links to some other, less subjective guides too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Along with getting medical and psychological help, &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-meds.html"&gt;medication&lt;/a&gt; helped get me stabilized even though I was really resistant to it because of being a recovering addict. I wasn't resistant to trying Effexor, and kind of wish I had been (see &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/12/battle-of-effexor.html"&gt;Battle of the Effexor&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/08/joy-of-meds-effexor-withdrawal-and-oh.html"&gt;Joy of Meds: Effexor withdrawal&lt;/a&gt;) I have quite a bit to say about &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-12-step-programs.html"&gt;PTSD and 12-step programs&lt;/a&gt;. While 12-step programs saved my life, I found that their one-size-fits-all model did more harm than good after the initial haze of the drugs and alcohol wore off. There is &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-different-types-of-addicts.html"&gt;more than one type of addict&lt;/a&gt; (and some more on the subject &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2007/07/more-on-type-b-addicts-12-steps-and.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). And although it claims not to hew any one denominational line, it is &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-christianity.html"&gt;based on Christianity&lt;/a&gt; in some ways that were harmful to my recovery. I finally decided to &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/my-name-and-more-on-12-steps-aa-people.html"&gt;leave 12 step approaches&lt;/a&gt;, a difficult decision.  In hindsight, however,  &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2009/03/exploitative-folks-in-12-step-programs.html"&gt;some of the most exploitative folks I ever met&lt;/a&gt; were from the halls of twelve step rooms and the addictions recovery industry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;Betrayal bonds&lt;/a&gt; form a major part of PTSD as I have experienced it, so I've spent a lot of time writing about them. You might have heard of this as &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/trauma-bonds-or-betrayal-bonds.html"&gt;Stockholm syndrome&lt;/a&gt;. They take a number of &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/roots-of-ptsd-how-trauma-affects.html"&gt;different forms&lt;/a&gt;. Fully understanding the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/whats-this-betrayal-stuff-got-to-do.html"&gt;nature and effects of betrayal&lt;/a&gt; was key to beginning &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/my-ongoing-recovery-from-ptsd.html"&gt;my recovery&lt;/a&gt; from PTSD. If you are interested, I can tell you more about &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-me.html"&gt;my PTSD&lt;/a&gt;. Some days are still [rough] (&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/crawling-out-of-my-own-skin.html"&gt;skin-crawling&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-wasting-time.html"&gt;time-wasting&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2010/01/losing-time.html"&gt;losing time&lt;/a&gt;, etc) but I have found a certain amount of recovery, and my life is once again bearable, even enjoyable on &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/03/writing-when-things-are-ok-for-once.html"&gt;good days&lt;/a&gt;. Partly it depends on which &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/feeding-right-dogs.html"&gt;dogs I feed&lt;/a&gt;.  It also helps to have a &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2007/08/loving-and-supportive-network-of.html"&gt;loving and supportive network of friends&lt;/a&gt;. Oh, and to stay far away from &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2008/12/toxic-relationships.html"&gt;toxic relationships&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-114499046803752323?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/114499046803752323/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=114499046803752323' title='18 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/114499046803752323'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/114499046803752323'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2007/12/sticky-guide-to-blog.html' title='Sticky:  Guide to the blog'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>18</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-865992103696594600</id><published>2012-01-31T22:17:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2012-01-31T22:17:57.683-08:00</updated><title type='text'>neglect (hopefully not traumatically so this time)</title><content type='html'>eeep! &amp;nbsp;I have neglected the comments here and a whole bunch of really important onces came in. &amp;nbsp;I was backlogged since October. &amp;nbsp;Had a major death in the family and let things go. &amp;nbsp;They are all posted now. &amp;nbsp;I apologize to anyone who missed their post, and thank you all for writing. &amp;nbsp;The comments are often the most powerful part of the post!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-865992103696594600?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/865992103696594600/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=865992103696594600' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/865992103696594600'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/865992103696594600'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2012/01/neglect-hopefully-not-traumatically-so.html' title='neglect (hopefully not traumatically so this time)'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-3868614475883607332</id><published>2011-09-06T21:04:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-09-12T16:42:58.818-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Addiction'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='12-step'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='AA'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='flashbacks'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trauma'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='treatment'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='depression'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='relationships'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='12 step programs'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='family of choice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pseudo-seizures'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Type B alcoholics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='medication'/><title type='text'>An open letter to someone looking to help a loved one with ptsd</title><content type='html'>&lt;br /&gt;Hi,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since you did not post anonymously and wanted to get a hold of me I won't publish your comment but will respond to your email. &amp;nbsp;If you want to repost anonymously, you might get some help that way too, so if it comes through again anonymously I'll publish the comment. &amp;nbsp;I never had Electro Convulsive Therapy (ECT), and have heard nightmarish stories about it, even in the new and improved version. &amp;nbsp;If it is not having a helpful effect, please reconsider it!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First off, sorry to hear you and your wife are having such a tough time. &amp;nbsp;When &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-me.html"&gt;I went through the worst&lt;/a&gt; of the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-reactions.html"&gt;flashbacks&lt;/a&gt; and other stuff I was very difficult to deal with and a real burden. &amp;nbsp;I am fortunate my wife recognized what was going on as similar to what happens to battered women (she had done some work in the domestic violence field) and people who have been abused, but we had no idea when it went down what PTSD or flashbacks were. &amp;nbsp;It was incredibly frightening...I thought I had just gone crazy. &amp;nbsp;That is why I publish the blog, so that if people are hunting around they will know that what is happening is not unique and that there are ways through it. &amp;nbsp;The only way out, unfortunately, is through. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It put me out of work for 1 and 1/2 yrs, and I had to go to inpatient. &amp;nbsp;We basically maxed out credit cards and borrowed from friends and my wife's family. &amp;nbsp;Insurance would not cover anything. &amp;nbsp;I looked into but did not get social security for a disability, we were too busy with the symptoms to be able to go through with that when it actually could have helped. &amp;nbsp;My family of origin was in such denial they did not help and went on a sort of in-the-family PR campaign to discredit me and my wife. &amp;nbsp;I don't talk to them at all any more. &amp;nbsp;That whole things was weird, because the immediate causes of my ptsd were not directly anything to do with family other than raising me so I couldn't recognize psychopaths when I encountered them. &amp;nbsp;We had ok credit but not much income at the time and basically maxed out the 0% introductory offers and juggled them around for a couple of years before paying them off. &amp;nbsp;No fun, but it worked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you can go that route, do careful research on the place. &amp;nbsp;I went to Life Healing Center in New Mexico. &amp;nbsp;Some people, like me, have gotten a lot out of it, others, not so much. &amp;nbsp;It did not cure me, but it did give me enough tools to manage the worst of the symptoms and set up a structure of recovery, which slowly happened (with lots of work from me) over the next five years. &amp;nbsp;I have not had a flashback in bout five years, but I know that seems like forever from the other side. &amp;nbsp;With help though, it can and does get better. &amp;nbsp;Without help it will not ever get better, and would have resulted in incapacitation, institutionalization, and death for me if left untreated any longer. &amp;nbsp;It kills lots of people through suicides and addictions, and the stigma prevents the experience from helping others. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;About the careful research, look at the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/comprehensive-list-of-us-treatment.html"&gt;comprehensive list of treatment centers&lt;/a&gt;. &amp;nbsp; You might contact Life Healing Center and ask where to go or what you can do. &amp;nbsp;They were supportive when we called. &amp;nbsp;The &lt;a href="http://sidran.org/"&gt;Sidran Institute&lt;/a&gt; that is listed at the top of that page serves as a clearinghouse of info and advice on getting help with PTSD. &amp;nbsp;They have a &lt;a href="http://sidran.org/sub.cfm?sectionID=5"&gt;great help desk&lt;/a&gt;. &amp;nbsp;I would also check "&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/choosing-therapist-for-people-with.html"&gt;how to choose a therapist&lt;/a&gt;" on the blog. &amp;nbsp;While setting up longer term plans, try to get short term support in place. &amp;nbsp;If Kaiser will pay for therapy, try to get a referral for PTSD. &amp;nbsp;There are lots of positively harmful mental health professionals, I would say the majority of them, so if you get a bad vibe with one try another. &amp;nbsp;It is not you! &amp;nbsp;Other people I know on Kaiser have managed by trial and error to keep trying the therapist they assign and if that one does not work ask for another. &amp;nbsp;Make the first session an interview. &amp;nbsp;You may want to attend with your wife, because if she is now like I was a few years ago, I would pick abusive therapists! &amp;nbsp;Ultimately though it has to be someone she feels she can work with, so you can only support, not do it for her. But she has a right to get appropriate treatment specific to her case, and might need help to do that. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kaiser may want to do an economy one-size fits all solution, but you have the right to get the help you guys need. &amp;nbsp;Especially be careful with &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-meds.html"&gt;psychiatrists prescribing meds&lt;/a&gt;. &amp;nbsp;If you get a sense they are just prescribing this week's pharmaceutical company offering and not listening to you either before during or after you start on meds, clear out fast! &amp;nbsp;I'd say psychiatrists approach closer to 90% incompetent. &amp;nbsp;I really had to hunt to get a good one that would actually listen. &amp;nbsp;My wife helped me find a good one, and the "how to pick a shrink" page is what we learned about how to find one and interview her or him. &amp;nbsp;Meds are an important part of my recovery today though. &amp;nbsp;But if one gets overmedicated, it is just zombifying, and if your wife gets on the wrong meds and the psychiatrist does not listen, it is horrible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, check the laws in your state. &amp;nbsp;In my state, major depression, which I had from the PTSD, qualified for more intensive treatment and the insurance company had to pay for unlimited sessions, not just the usual 24/yr or whatever. &amp;nbsp;The insurance company of course will not tell you this, so check the laws and the fine print of your policy on it. &amp;nbsp;I went twice a week sometimes when things were just starting to get better. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If there is addictive behavior involved, &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-12-step-programs.html"&gt;tread very carefully around 12 step programs&lt;/a&gt;. &amp;nbsp;They have little to no understanding of trauma issues and even if it works for the addiction, like it did for me (I went to 12-step groups for 16 years), the cure can be worse than the ailment, and &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2009/03/exploitative-folks-in-12-step-programs.html"&gt;charlatans and @$$holes abound&lt;/a&gt;. &amp;nbsp;That is not to say don't use it as a resource if it works for halting the addictions, because the addiction, particularly to drugs or alcohol, will prevent any progress in recovering from the ptsd. &amp;nbsp;Just don't drink the kool-aid that says it is a cure-all and if you are not happy joyous and free in 6 months you are doing it wrong. &amp;nbsp;That is positively harmful and very prevalent. &amp;nbsp;Get help with the PTSD elsewhere. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With that said, a number of treatment centers are incorporating trauma work into their inpatient programs. &amp;nbsp;The meadows in Arizona and the Caron Foundation rehabs in PA are two examples. &amp;nbsp;Places that work with trauma primarily often won't take a person with substance abuse issues until they have come through a rehab for that. &amp;nbsp;When I went to Life Healing Center I was already 16 years sober and had to do a bit of convincing to get in without having to go through another drug and alcohol rehab! &amp;nbsp;Without the sobriety, the other work is impossible. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am forever grateful that &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2007/08/loving-and-supportive-network-of.html"&gt;my wife and my friends I had made outside of 12 step groups&lt;/a&gt; came through and stuck with me. &amp;nbsp;I did &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/03/writing-when-things-are-ok-for-once.html"&gt;get better over time&lt;/a&gt; and returned to being a more-or-less fully functioning adult again. &amp;nbsp;It was (and still is) a long slow process, but things do get better. &amp;nbsp;My wife was for me when I was not, when I was hopeless, she supplied the hope, and we came out the other side of it fine after some couples counseling. &amp;nbsp;Don't underestimate the strain on yourself and inequitability of what is happening. &amp;nbsp;It is not fair that you should be stuck cleaning up trauma that you had nothing to do with, and Christian strategies of &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-different-types-of-addicts.html"&gt;turning the other cheek and repressing anger will backfire&lt;/a&gt;, coming out sideways and destructive. &amp;nbsp;It is a tremendous strain to live with someone going through PTSD, to the point they have a name for it, secondary PTSD. &amp;nbsp;So please, if you are going to support your wife, remember that you need to take care of yourself ultimately too. &amp;nbsp;That can get lost in the cycle of crisis, but it is crucial if you are to be supportive and if the relationship is going to come through in the long run. &amp;nbsp;It can and does happen, even if it seems hopeless now. &amp;nbsp;Having come out the other side, it was an awful expereince, but once we sorted things out, with a lot of emotional work from both of us and short term guidance from a good couples therapist when we got stuck, we are stronger in the relationship than ever, and I owe my recovery in large part to my wife's unstinting support. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;I'm not advocating martyrdom though, please be clear. &amp;nbsp;I had to work hard at my recovery and do a lot of work in restoring the relationship. &amp;nbsp;If I had not done that work, even when I saw no point in it, nothing would have gotten better between us. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hope this is of some help. &amp;nbsp;I know PTSD is terrifying and awful, so please hang in there. &amp;nbsp;All the struggles and hardships paid off for us in the long run and I hope they do for you too. &amp;nbsp;I'll probably post this as an open letter on the blog without hooking it up to your comment. &amp;nbsp;Thank you for writing. &lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-3868614475883607332?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/3868614475883607332/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=3868614475883607332' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/3868614475883607332'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/3868614475883607332'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2011/09/open-letter-to-someone-who-is-looking.html' title='An open letter to someone looking to help a loved one with ptsd'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-2542884580570343789</id><published>2011-06-04T20:50:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-06-04T20:50:16.327-07:00</updated><title type='text'>New Look</title><content type='html'>When I moderate comments, I often go back and review posts and comments for strength and sustenance (especially the comments!). &amp;nbsp;Today I realized that the bright white text on a black background was hard to read for any length of time, so I updated the look and feel. &amp;nbsp;I know a lot of people who come here go on extended readings of the info and your comments, so I made the text a little less bright, and switched from a sans serif font to a serif, Georgia, for the main text. &amp;nbsp;Serifs, the little horizontal guidelines at the tops and bottoms of letters, make it easier to read because the help the eye follow along horizontally instead of emphasizing the vertical. &amp;nbsp;I enlarged the font a notch too. &amp;nbsp;The background is from a stock theme. &amp;nbsp;I like it because it is &lt;a href="http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&amp;amp;section=&amp;amp;global=1&amp;amp;q=bokeh"&gt;bokeh&lt;/a&gt;, out of focus, so it gives the illusion of depth. &amp;nbsp;I also like that it stays in place while the text scrolls: it gives the illusion that there is a scene behind the writing. &amp;nbsp;And the rainy day seems to fit PTSD bouts with depression, even if the vista is inspirational. &amp;nbsp;The headings are in a felt marker-type font. &amp;nbsp;I wanted a sort of zen brush-stroke effect there. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The last real post is still the one about &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2010/01/losing-time.html"&gt;losing time,&lt;/a&gt; which I have been doing a lot of, and my updating the layout just goes to show you how&amp;nbsp;desperately&amp;nbsp;I am avoiding the real work I need to do!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me know whether you like the new look if &amp;nbsp;you got distracted enough to come over to this page and have read this far. &amp;nbsp;If you want to get back to reading the blog, here is the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2007/12/sticky-guide-to-blog.html"&gt;guide&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-2542884580570343789?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/2542884580570343789/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=2542884580570343789' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/2542884580570343789'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/2542884580570343789'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2011/06/new-look.html' title='New Look'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-4711695671010235788</id><published>2010-07-20T19:14:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2010-07-20T19:16:05.251-07:00</updated><title type='text'></title><content type='html'>Sorry to those who have commented since May 8th.  I've been traveling and working and got behind.  Comments are all published now, and I hope if you are suffering from PTSD and maybe don't know what hit you, that  you find something of use here!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-4711695671010235788?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/4711695671010235788/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=4711695671010235788' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/4711695671010235788'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/4711695671010235788'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2010/07/sorry-to-those-who-have-commented-since.html' title=''/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-7453962813922224433</id><published>2010-01-27T14:21:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-01-27T14:36:16.717-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trust'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dissociation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='isolation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='relationships'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trauma'/><title type='text'>losing time</title><content type='html'>This started out a comment, but became a post.  The &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-wasting-time.html"&gt;time-wasting thing&lt;/a&gt; is weird...partly, I've had to learn to give myself some space to waste some time on having fun and stuff like that that I used to think I did not deserve.  But the losing time thing was a real problem for me for a long time -- still is in some ways.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I used to be in this weird form of denial about it. I would have dissociative, losing time, flashbacky stuff happen all the time, but as long as I was the only one who witnessed it I could pretend it was not happening, or I was just faking or being "dramatic."  Denial runs very deep in my family!  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, eventually, I started losing time so others noticed and I had to make up stories to cover (should sound familiar to anyone who has or had an addiction that is trauma-related), but ultimately, it spilled over, or I finally decided I could trust my partner of many years and what had been my own private nightmare was all of a sudden shared. Instead of leaving me in disgust, she said "oh my this is terrible." She recognized what was going on with me as similar to what another set of trauma survivors (women who have suffered domestic violence) whom she was familiar with go through.  This set us off on the slow process of learning almost from scratch what PTSD is. I thought she would leave if she discovered how "bad" and "crazy" I was inside my head, but instead, sharing what was going on, even though it kind of spilled over rather than being a conscious decision on my part, began the process of recovery for me.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My ability to trust others was so damaged by the various traumas I have alluded to in this blog that it was nine years into our relationship before I trusted her with what was going on inside me.  I really thought I was to blame for it all, and that I was just crazy or defective, and I had been burned so many times on trust issues I was extremely wary.  And I was fortunate to find someone who saw things for what they really were instead of just being freaked out and leaving.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess the moral of the story for me is that when I am "losing time" it is a good idea to run it by someone I trust.  That is hard for me, because I used to trust people who had not earned it and I got burned all the time.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-7453962813922224433?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/7453962813922224433/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=7453962813922224433' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/7453962813922224433'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/7453962813922224433'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2010/01/losing-time.html' title='losing time'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-7249916632992634808</id><published>2009-07-06T16:02:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-06T17:05:06.332-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='12-step'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='12 step programs'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='AA'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Type B alcoholics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Type A Alcoholoics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='spirituality'/><title type='text'>god and stuff</title><content type='html'>Catherine wrote in a comment &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2009/03/exploitative-folks-in-12-step-programs.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, "Does this mean the steps don't work? Does this mean God does not exist?"  I tried to answer briefly but it turned into a post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"God is dead" - Nietzsche&lt;br /&gt;"Nietzsche is dead" - God&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I always liked that even if I disagree with the moral of it.  I have come to more or less of a truce about spirituality.  I have no way of telling whether or not any deity exists other than subjective guessing, which I have seen is often wrong when I do it and when others do it.  In fact, the most harmful people in 12 step rooms for me were ones who were convinced they knew and were carrying out "God's will" saying things like "I like to think things happened for a reason" when the reason was that they did it: god as cop out in other words.  So I have suspended judgment.  If there is one (or more) or not is apparently not my business.  My job is to do the best I can with what I have got, and belief in a deity has just not been sustainable for me, though I don't see disbelief as being any more supportable in my own case. In other words, I am not an atheist, I just don't know (which I think is the literal meaning of agnostic, though I am not keen on that label either).  I am not one to substitute a faith that god does not exist for a faith that one does.  Same goes for faith in science or AA or anything else as the answer to everything too.  I don't think the whole world is reducible to the observable, but again, I don't know.  I just don't know, and that is fine. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A higher power is a different story, I just don't need to deify it for it to work in my life...it is just the admission that I can't do it all, know it all, be it all, myself.  I need others, their perspectives, their help sometimes, their human frailty at others, and mostly their love (that last one is hard to admit and write even now -- trauma has taught me so many times that I must be self-sufficient because I can't trust anyone).  Finding a few people I can risk trusting in this regard has changed the everything for me and allowed me to get better even when faith and 12 steps failed me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know this is not everyone's path, and I hope I am not going to draw and evangelical types by my stating my lack of belief, but it has worked for me when all else failed and I have some peace of mind, whereas before, for me to believe at all, I would have had to have bought into the idea of a punishing (or very stupid and powerless) god that pretty much wanted me to suffer in order to test me.  If so, I failed the test, or maybe I aced it, I don't know, which is the point.  If the deity I used to believe in is in fact the case, nothing I can do about it, but I don't have any compelling reason to place my life in the hands of some invisible malevolent-for-my-own-good deity any more.  Been there, tried real hard to make it work, results not so good.  I have had to find my higher power in people around me, human and imperfect as they (including me) are.  That has sometimes worked and sometimes not so much, but it is good enough for me right now. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What does it have to do with PTSD?  Well for one thing, many of the tools that self-help have to offer rely on on putting your trust and faith in a deity of some sort, however contrived.  Professionals rely on this to some extent too, especially ones who don't have proper training or better tools to offer.  Some of the trauma I suffered had to do with spritual abuse of the first order, people invoking a spiritual higher power to gain trust and to then do extremely harmful things that truly f***ed up my life.  And it was done as part of my seeking to recover from earlier trauma.  So the tools I was supposed to use to get better were turned on me.  Talk about having trust issues.  Same sort of thing happened, in a related way, with therapists.  And the end result was that "very spiritual" people put a big head trip on me, so that I was supposed to (and did for a time) believe that things happened the way they did because of my failures and shortcomings  and god's will (constructed in the usual new agey fashion...I never got into church since being raised as a strict Catholic as a child). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This left me in the most forlorn place in my life, worse than the black hole of addiction because there was no addictive pain relief and no reason for any of it that made sense other than that I sucked.  Nothing made sense anymore.  Everything that I was taught would make me "happy joyous and free" made me miserable...I got the feeling of being some kind of alien, the butt of a joke I did not get, plopped down in a world meant for others that worked for them but not for me.  That was the effect of spiritual and emotional abuse I now understand, but it led to a feeling of nearly complete abandonment and years of suicidal depression as I labored under the beliefs I had learned in early recovery. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I won't say too much about how I got through it, but after a suicide attempt that could have been successful, when I chose (a few moments away from not being able to come back), to go to the hospital, I made a very willful decision.  They held me at the psyche ward until I promised to be good, that was about all, other than some horrible group work and an attempt to torture me physically in the name of an EEG by sticking an electrode on the end of a tube through my palate and into my nose. But while thereI basically made a decision that if I wanted to kill myself that I would have, that I had my chance and failed even at that, and that I just would not try killing myself to relieve pain any more, no matter what I had to do.  This was not easy, because for the next nine years I suffered from ptsd without knowing what it was, getting (mis) treated for whatever this week's malady was with last week's pharmaceutical offering.  I walked around suicidal for nine years, figuring that that is how I would live out my life.  If I felt so bad I thought I would act out on it, I spoke up, not because I wanted to get better -- I had no such illusions by that point, but because I had promised myself not to and yelping for help was the only way I coulds see not acting out on the desire to stop hurting.  The one thing I did right was I kept showing up as best I could.  The other thing I did was change my friends and gradually, fitfully, and with much guilt and worry, clear out of 12 step rooms.  Finding out about ptsd was like a cover being removed from my eyes.  Things that made no sense finally did.  That is why I write this blog, on the chance that someone else in the same state as I was might find out what the hell is going on in their life and skip some of the forlorn-ness of it all without checking out permanently.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the steps, they work for some people, though not nearly as many as 12 steppers claim, and I see value in them as a way to "clear the wreckage of the past" but they alone were not enough for me.  I kept going over the same things, working the steps as well as anyone, and things kept getting worse.  The reason was that I was taking responsibility for things that were not mine and stuffing anger because the literature said it was a "dubious luxury we can ill afford."  One of the things I heard in 12 step rooms was that if you keep doing the same thing over and expect different results, that's insanity.  I finally had to apply that to how the steps (did not) work in my life after a point.  PTSD complicated matters and the steps did not and were not designed to help with it.  I needed to do something different, but the only solution 12 steps had to offer was more step work.  So my short answer to Catherine's question, "Does this mean the steps don't work?" is that they did not work on PTSD for me.  A lot of the stuff was simply not my fault, and any attempt to take responsibilty for it just aggravated the problem.  I needed to get good and angry, and I did not and still do not have any need to forgive or forget, much less make amends to these people.  My life did not fall apart as dire warnings from the literature and the rooms said it would.  In fact, getting angry and placing responsibility where it belonged was a true first step toward my ongoing recovery from PTSD and a return from the brink, or maybe over it, of insanity. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This turned into a way heavier post than I intended, but there it is for what it is worth; it is my experience and your mileage may vary.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-7249916632992634808?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/7249916632992634808/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=7249916632992634808' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/7249916632992634808'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/7249916632992634808'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2009/07/god-and-stuff.html' title='god and stuff'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-8595323279477421986</id><published>2009-03-13T13:34:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-03-13T14:02:41.571-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Addiction'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='relationships'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='12-step'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='12 step programs'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='AA'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Type B alcoholics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='therapy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Type A Alcoholoics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trauma'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='betrayal'/><title type='text'>exploitative folks in 12 step programs and elsewhere</title><content type='html'>Once again, somebody's comments sparked a post from what started as a simple response.  Anon, thanks for your comments on &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/my-ongoing-recovery-from-ptsd.html"&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt; and and on the "&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-different-types-of-addicts.html"&gt;type A&amp;amp;B&lt;/a&gt;" page.  In a nutshell, she said thanks for the heads up as she tended to trust 12 step folks blindly and had not realized there were some exploitative types in the rooms. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I really need to tread a fine line...AA and 12 step programs saved my life at one time, but nearly cost it another.  I managed to get sober there when I could not under my own steam no matter how hard I tried.  I'm forever grateful for that, because it has made the rest of my life possible, painful as parts have been. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That said, the most manipulative, scheming, two faced, fair weather friend type people I have ever met, straight or high, have been in 12 step programs or the addictions recovery field.  I had the blind trust anon talks about -- after all, these people had literally saved my life and I knew it!  And there are some great, decent, and honest people in AA.  There are also used car salesmen (I bought a lemon from a guy who used 12-speak and AA "seniority" to get me to trust him when making a purchase I wished I hadn't), spiritual abusers ("when I f&amp;amp;%*ed you over it was God's will"), therapists ( did anyone ever notice that the word spells "the rapist?" -- just kidding sort of...while several of my therapists were akin to rapists, others I have learned to choose have been remarkably helpful)  willing to rip up families to make a few thousand bucks, even to the point of driving the abandoned ones to suicide ("oh she was messed up...good thing he left her when he did!"), and this is before even getting to romantic relationships, where as I said, because of my tendency toward &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-repitition.html"&gt;trauma repetition&lt;/a&gt;, and never having been around healthy people to know any better, and my blind trust in 12 step folk, I got involved with the sickest most twisted people I have ever met in my life.  I'm still trying to sort it out 15-20 years later! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would never tell anyone to avoid all relationships with recovering people...there are some healthy ones I am sure (plus I'm one!), but tread carefully! Trust slowly and cautiously if at all.  Trust is earned and provisional, based on actions not words, and not granted eternally, just for now.  Pay attention...don't disregard your common sense and intuition...a major part of my recovery has been to slowly reclaim those things...if it looks too good to be true, it probably is. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The thing is, I was so needy and vulnerable, even 5-6 years into recovery, that I ignored all this and rather than waiting and going slowly, I dove in and trusted blindly because I did not know how to develop &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;earned &lt;/span&gt;trust over time rather than just give it or withhold it arbitrarily. As a result, I got in traumatic relationships again and again (twice in recovery, to be exact) that I am still struggling with much later.  They very nearly cost me my life.  They did cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost work time when I just could not function because of the results of them.  They caused unbearable and completely unnecessary pain and a number of trips to psyche wards and a trauma treatment center.  When I have told people the details, they have been amazed that I didn't pick up over this stuff...many just assumed I had.  One person I respect a lot, an earth person (i.e., not in 12 step programs) said the last perpetrator was an emotional rapist. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But honestly, I don't know if I could have taken the advice I am giving now, because I was stubborn and thought if I did not get somebody *now* I'd be alone forever.  Looking back, I would have been better off alone, but I needed to learn it the hard way I guess.  And even today, knowing what I know, I don't know that if I were single and put in the same situation I wouldn't repeat my mistake again.  I like to think I have learned better, but I don't know that.  I am just glad I am in a healthy non-abusive relationship for a long time and don't have to face that particular weakness in myself. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a funny thing...the healthy relationship didn't come with all the drama, risk, and emotional highs -- or lows -- that the sick relationships did, so it took me literally years to figure out that all that drama and ball of hurt I was used to was not an intrinsic part of human relationships!  I thought I was missing something and I guess I was.  To be honest I missed the rush, just like a drug, but also to be honest, I have learned I certainly don't miss the consequences. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just have to say, over the few years I have intermittently written this blog, I have been continuously gratified that there are other people who understand.  One of the worst parts of my PTSD was thinking I was alone and hopeless and crazy.  So thank you to all of you who have commented over the years.  You keep me thinking and writing about this stuff, which helps me work stuff through, and I am grateful that something helpful to others has come out of something so insufferable.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-8595323279477421986?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/8595323279477421986/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=8595323279477421986' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/8595323279477421986'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/8595323279477421986'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2009/03/exploitative-folks-in-12-step-programs.html' title='exploitative folks in 12 step programs and elsewhere'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-1149436105612187325</id><published>2008-12-09T17:16:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-09T17:25:07.270-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dissociation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='depression'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='grounding'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='holidays'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='flashbacks'/><title type='text'>PTSD and the holidays revisited...</title><content type='html'>Holidays have always been rough for me.  A lot of &lt;a href="http://www.sidran.org/pdf/PTSDandholidays.pdf"&gt;trauma anniversary&lt;/a&gt; (pdf) stuff comes between Thanksgiving and New Years for me.  I didn't even realize it but my partner pointed out that I always have a hard time with holidays and depression and PTSD symptoms.  This year seems better so far.  I am in a place I like.  I won't be alone.  People who traumatized me are far away and not in contact. So maybe things will be ok this year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another set of holidays has started, and I need to be aware of anniversary reactions.  Awareness and talking about it to the people around me (I wouldn't recommend this unless they understand PTSD and are supportive) have helped reduce the worst of the reactions, as has staying away from my abusers, and unfortunately in my case, my family of origin, who are all mightily invested in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt; understanding my PTSD, which several of them find pretty threatening.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why are holidays tough for people with PTSD?  Well for one thing, getting in touch with positive feelings can be really difficult, and during the holidays there is a lot of pressure to do just that...be jolly in other words.  For another, some  holidays a reminders of anniversaries of traumatic events.  Anniverseries are proven triggers for PTSD, and they sure were for me.  I finally realized I needed to cut off contact with my family of origin -- a drastic step, not for everyone, BTW -- after calling on Thanksgiving and getting off the phone and having a severe flashback.  I would have never put the two together because the content of the flashback was not my family, but my partner noticed that this happened regularly with contact with them and around holidays in particular.  The "joke" in our family was "OK, we're going to have a good holiday or else, godammit" which was usually followed by some drunken craziness that turned ugly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For me, controlling whom I am around, and scaling back expectations of jolliness both help a lot.&lt;br /&gt;There is a bit more on how someone with PTSD can &lt;a href="http://ptsd.about.com/od/selfhelp/qt/holidaycope.htm"&gt;cope with the hiolidays&lt;/a&gt; in About.com's PTSD section.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-1149436105612187325?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/1149436105612187325/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=1149436105612187325' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/1149436105612187325'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/1149436105612187325'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2008/12/ptsd-and-holidays-revisited.html' title='PTSD and the holidays revisited...'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-4559676026297796654</id><published>2008-12-08T00:18:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-08T00:35:49.707-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='isolation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='emdr'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='relationships'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='family of choice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trauma'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='betrayal'/><title type='text'>toxic  relationships</title><content type='html'>&lt;div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"&gt;Well, this started as a response to a bunch of comments but turned int my first post in a while, so thanks to the anonymous poster who made the comments referenced below.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;anonymous said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;My story was a string of "moderately traumatic" events that left me feeling constantly on edge, ready for betrayal or chaos at any moment, completely in physical and emotional pain for years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yes, &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/02/still-here-still-have-ptsd.html"&gt;I know that feeling well&lt;/a&gt;, that there is no safe place, the world might give way under foot at any moment. Finding ways of being and places, even imaginary ones, that are safe has been a big part of recovery for me. EMDR, which I have been thinking of writing a post on for a very long time but haven't gotten around to it, was helpful in doing this. I started out with an imaginary safe place, but also learned to trust that&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2007/08/loving-and-supportive-network-of.html"&gt; loving and supportive network of friends&lt;/a&gt;, which has been a challenge, but also tremendously rewarding as far as recovering goes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;anonymous wrote:&lt;br /&gt;The supportive, loving people I have new relationships with don't deserve to deal with my insecurities from the manipulative, destructive people in my toxic past.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I think awareness is a crucial first step. All the toxic people who were in my life surely had their own unaddressed trauma issues, I know this for a fact. I think perpetrators of abuse are  traumatized people who feel entitled to take out revenge for their trauma on the world around them. Its their way of dealing with it, but it creates more trauma, passing it along to new people. Most traumatized people won't turn into abusers, but I bet 99.9% of perpetrators come from traumatized backgrounds. Its important to reiterate that this is not a &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;fait accompli&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is a slippery and seductive slope though.  Most traumatized people hold it in til it blows up, which I did, or find constructive ways of dealing with it, which is what I try to do now.  But when things blew up, I hurt those around me, the closer and more supportive they were, the more so. I realized this and it was a major incentive to get better so that I would not continue to have the stuff come out sideways and hurt the ones I love and who love me.  I can see though, that had I just felt entitled to what I was doing rather than being appalled at it, it would then be but a short drive to perp-dom.  So I have understanding, but no tolerance or forgiveness for abusers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am grateful for being able to break the cycle in my own life but it has come at great cost.  My tendency was to buy into the perpetrator's version of the story and see myself as defective or the source of whatever problems they blamed on me.  I promised myself when I was a little kid that I would not do to my kids what was done to me.  My latest greatest abuser played into all my fears and insecurities (and ignorance about boundaries!) and after I got totally screwed over, the person convinced me that I was the abusive one (I hesitate to even write this for fear that whoever reads it will side with my abuser too!) by invoking what I had recognized as lies a previous toxic person had accused me of.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The latest, greatest one knew my feelings and insecurities about this because I told her all about them.  Rather than realizing "wow, what a sick person, trying to justify her abusive behavior by flinging that stuff at me," I thought "well that's twice in a row...maybe I'm as blind as my parents were to their abusive behavior and just cannot see it."  As a result, I decided not to have kids, because I took my childhood promise to myself seriously, and until I could see how it was I was being abusive I would do what it took to make sure I didn't pass it on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This was my backwards sense of boundaries, where I thought they were to keep me walled off from doing harm from others rather than to protect myself from toxic abusive people.  Years later, the person admitted I had not been anything close to abusive and that she made it up to justify her actions, but by then it was too late to start a family and the harm had been done.  Because a life of traumatic relationships with everyone from parents to siblings to strangers to lovers, my belief in myself and my own feelings was nil.  This is perhaps the greatest thing I have recovered in getting better from PTSD, my trust in myself as a basically good human being.  I had to learn what most people learn as children, how to tell what's mine from what's not, and that has made all the difference.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-4559676026297796654?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/4559676026297796654/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=4559676026297796654' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/4559676026297796654'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/4559676026297796654'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2008/12/toxic-relationships.html' title='toxic  relationships'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-2124888057192621939</id><published>2007-08-03T19:21:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-08-15T15:56:50.467-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='emdr'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='masculinity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='12-step'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='group therapy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sexuality'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='family of choice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trauma'/><title type='text'>a loving and supportive network of friends</title><content type='html'>In a comment to &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-me.html"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;, anonymous wrote:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;also maybe you just haven't found the right support group yet. There's nothing like sharing with others who have endured similar experiences&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is true, sharing with others who have been there, or who have other ways of understanding, is a tremendous help. If you look through the rest of the blog, you will see that my recovery has come a long way. I do have a lot of support but it is not formalized in a "group" right now and that is fine with me. What I do have is a loving and supportive network of friends and family of choice.  Groups have served their purpose in my recovery, and I have done them in several different forms and may do more if I see an opportunity to get better by doing so. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But groups have also been fraught experiences for me.  I've said enough elsewhere on 12 step approaches, but even in therapeutic groups, the nature of a lot of my trauma and its manifestations is often threatening to other male group members' sense of their own masculinity and they have often gone out of their way to &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; identify with me, distancing themselves as much as possible.  From what I gather this is their issue, not mine, but I'm not there to have them play out their idea of what a man is by being hostile to me or undermining my sense of who I am and what I have been through.  Its counterproductive and whatever the opposite of affirming is. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here is what I do have though, a loving and supportive network of friends and family of choice.  Most &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;untraumatized&lt;/span&gt; people grow up with the family part and develop the friends part as a matter of course.  I had to spend decades to learn how to do it, and it had to be with a new family of my own creation, not my family of origin.  I was able to manage this by reaching out to people as people, not as alcoholics, drug addicts, or trauma survivors..  Some had some of these issues mind you, but I reached a point in my life where that no longer needed to be the primary basis for a relationship. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When the PTSD came on hard, I involuntarily had to lean on this network for all it was worth, and these friends and family were there for me and came through for me in ways that my family of origin and my old frineds, both as an active addict and as a person recovering within the frame of the twelve steps, did not.  What I like to think is that I had gotten well enough to operate in the world of "earth people" -- normal folks, in other words -- as one of them, instead of identifying as an addict or a victim or a survivor first and foremost.  One of the goals of recovery is to reintegrate into society as a useful member, and over the course of many years that is what I have done.  I'm just a person among people.  Like everyone, I've got my own unique history, and I act in some particular ways...for example, not drinking or drugging.  But I am more or less just a regular person, as long as I take care of myself. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So anyway, when doing EMDR, I was having difficulty facing some of the trauma yet it was intruding in my life in the form of flashbacks, seizure-like things, hypervigilance, and a host of other things.  We did what is called installing resources, and the resource that I came up with was to think of my firends as a literal net, holding me up and protecting me from falling when I could not do so myself.  This resource or whatever has helped me immensely, and my earth-friends have come through for me again and again to the point where I don't have to rely on that net anymore.  It is good to know it is there though.  Actually, it kind of reminds me of the end of Harry Potter (spoiler alert) where he goes and faces the evil Voldemort alone sort of, but with the sort of mental company of supportive and loving friends and family that carry him through things he did not believe himself capable of.  Even when the are not there they are there. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Perhaps that image...a literal net made up of supportive and loving friends and family...is one that will help others get through the trying times of PTSD like it did me.  It was not a cure, and it did not make it easier or less painful, but it did enable me to get better and to face some pretty horrific stuff to know I wasn't -- and still am not -- in it alone.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-2124888057192621939?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/2124888057192621939/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=2124888057192621939' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/2124888057192621939'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/2124888057192621939'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2007/08/loving-and-supportive-network-of.html' title='a loving and supportive network of friends'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-8960540139185539409</id><published>2007-07-09T02:45:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-07-09T03:31:14.269-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tolerance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='isolation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='relationships'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='AA'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Type B alcoholics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Type A Alcoholoics'/><title type='text'>More on Type A &amp; B addicts, 12 steps, and trauma</title><content type='html'>This was originally a response to some comments to "&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-different-types-of-addicts.html"&gt;ptsd, AA, and different types of addicts&lt;/a&gt;" that grew too long, so it became a post.  If you're curious, or want to try and convince me that my experience is wrong ;^), you can read more about my thoughts on &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-12-step-programs.html"&gt;PTSD and 12-step programs&lt;/a&gt;, the  &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-christianity.html"&gt;Christian basis of AA's "spirituality"&lt;/a&gt;, and why I finally decided, after 17 years, to &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/my-name-and-more-on-12-steps-aa-people.html"&gt;leave 12 step approaches&lt;/a&gt;, a difficult decision.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;anonymous at 9:17 pm said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I believe that AA can help anyone to sobriety and a life worth living. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh dear, the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-different-types-of-addicts.html"&gt;type A&lt;/a&gt; AAs have found us :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;...There ARE AA members experienced with PTSD. Value your own recovery enough to seek them out. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Indeed, during the seventeen years I attended AA I did find some people who knew personally what PTSD was and they were a tremendous help.  I also met a lot of crazy people who thought because their way of doing things wasn't working for me that I was doing something wrong...kind of like you are here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If it were easy, EVERYONE would be sober and sane. &lt;/blockquote&gt;a little condescension to help you endear yourself to us struggling misguided fools who don't do things your way....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;... But sobriety and life are worth the effort. ...Find the people in AA who relate to who you are and where you've been. They are there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Translation for &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-different-types-of-addicts.html"&gt;type B&lt;/a&gt;s:  You are doing it wrong if you are not doing it my (anonymous's) way -- oops, I mean, the AA way, and you're not sober or sane unless you go through AA.  Thanks, but no thanks.  Been there done that.  That is &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-different-types-of-addicts.html"&gt;what the post explains&lt;/a&gt; if you could see through the haze a bit.  If you go by the slogans, I might suggest "live and let live" to the anonymous poster here...Things only got saner and better for me after I left AA. That seems to be threatening somehow, and of course the type A response is that I didn't do it right. Well excuse my French, but fuck that.  I've now been sober over 22 years, the last five without AA.  I got a lot out of AA and gave a lot back, but it became more harm than help, to the point that my worst days sober were as bad or worse than the low points of my addiction, which included homelessness, hallucinations, lot's of "lucky to have lived through that"s, and lots of drug induced emotional and physical injury, so I left.  Mind you, I wouldn't trade those awfullest sober days in for the druggy ones -- I learned a lot of hard-bought things about people and --I can't think of anything else to call it...sickness just doesn't capture the true extent -- evil from the hard times of my sobriety.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I remember right, and I do, the definition of insanity I learned in AA was "to keep repeating the same things over and expect different results."  Working things through the aa way became exactly this form of insanity.  At a certain point the aa way...steps, spirituality, constant meetings, the whole thing that I was doing with the best of them...just wasn't working, again and again, no matter how hard I tried or how close I hewed to the big book and the rooms. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe I'll drink tomorrow.  I saw plenty of twenty and thirty year AA-ers go out and drink too.  I plan on staying clean and sober, as I value the life it has granted me immensely now that I have been able to stay clear of the craziness and harm I encountered in AA.  If it works for you, well bless you, go forth....I probably would have sided with you the first 5, 10, or 15 years I was sober.  I was wrong, and I humbly submit that you are too if you think AA is a one stop shop with the answers for everyone's recovery.  Open yer mind a little, please. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;the next anonymous said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;But to say that the person with PTSD is .."almost exclusively harming themselves..." is denial at its greatest. It takes courage to ask for help.&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Just for clarity sake, that quote within the quote is from another commentator, not something I said, though I said something similar.  I agree with the wife of the PTSD sufferer, and I am sure my own partner would too, as she endured a lot of agony in supporting me through the worst of my PTSD.  I am forever grateful for that...It has taught me what love really is in many ways, so if you are truly supporting the recovery -- and recovery can happen -- of a PTSD-er, well then props to you!  Its a huge task and takes a lot of love and understanding.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was referring, and I think the commentator was too, to the sort of perverse tendency Type Bs have of trying to make amends to their perpetrators.  In my case that &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;included &lt;/span&gt;members of my family.  They are the ones who are in denial, not me.  And to live as they would have me would kill me, quite literally, and they would rather see that than see what they did.  I just stay far away now, which is sad, but I have developed a wonderful family of choice and made a life for myself with room for all of who I am. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I was in the worst stages of my addiction, and my recovery, I isolated like the commentator, and any pain I caused my perpetrators was probably from pangs of guilt more than anything else.  I managed to keep everyone else away from me.  I didn't have anyone because I didn't think I was worth anything to anyone, and created a self-fulfilling prophecy.  When I stopped drinking and drugging, this left me real vulnerable to a particular type of misanthropic, often charlatan, type of person who can be found in or around any AA anywhere (I had home groups in four different cities over the years).  Mind you, I'm not saying all AA is like that, just that all AA attracts such people, and they prey on people like I was. I've seen it many times and experienced it more than once before I wised up.  These types took some people's lives to get what they wanted and almost got mine.  Maybe someday I'll tell that story here, but I try to keep things general so more people can relate and also so as to remain anonymous myself. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, there was no wife or partner or significant other in my addiction because I thought I was too fucked up to be with anyone -- and I mostly was.  Type Bs tend to blame themselves and take on the violence and anger of others as their own.  This has ...ummm....negative effects on one's social skills and attractiveness to others.  This is what I had to learn to reject and get angry at in order to get better, that the guilt and shame I felt were not mine, but belonged to others, and I would imagine that the commentator was trying to express something similar.  I am sure if he or she had people in his or her life, they were affected as you say, but some of us clear everyone out for their own good to protect them from what awful people we have been taught by our perpetrators to believe that we are.  Realizing that was a lie, and dumping the evil others had dumped on me in a safe and non-abusive way were key to getting to a place where I could let people in and have real relationships.  I could have gone to AA for eternity and I would never have learned what I needed there.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-8960540139185539409?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/8960540139185539409/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=8960540139185539409' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/8960540139185539409'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/8960540139185539409'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2007/07/more-on-type-b-addicts-12-steps-and.html' title='More on Type A &amp; B addicts, 12 steps, and trauma'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-116683267303898665</id><published>2006-12-22T16:03:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-12-22T16:11:13.053-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Battle of the Effexor</title><content type='html'>Oh well, just checking in to update anyone who reads this.  I more or less lost the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/08/joy-of-meds-effexor-withdrawal-and-oh.html"&gt;battle of the Effexor&lt;/a&gt;.   I had to go back on it, back up to 150 mg a day.  This is a third of what I had been taking, so it is better, but the withdrawal just never went away while I was off it.  I was miserable for a couple of months straight.  Maybe it is the PTSD and depression returning without the meds, but I don't think it was.  A lot of the stuff I felt was not related to the PTSD or depression, but after feeling like hell for a couple of months, I did get depressed.  Anyway, my psych doc says we can try again down the road, going even slower on the tapering off, but I am feeling better again and in no hurry to go through that again, even if it means staying on the drug.  Within two weeks of going back on it, I was better again.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-116683267303898665?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/116683267303898665/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=116683267303898665' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/116683267303898665'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/116683267303898665'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/12/battle-of-effexor.html' title='Battle of the Effexor'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-115525727748956326</id><published>2006-08-10T17:00:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-04-28T15:58:20.654-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Joy of Meds: Effexor withdrawal (and oh yeah, Blogspot sucks)</title><content type='html'>Grrrr...I spent a whole morning on this post and blogspot went down for maintenance and ate the whole thing when I tried to post. When they came back up, I could only recover about half of it. Bastards.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First the good news: I have been doing pretty well lately, well enough to slowly come off some of the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-meds.html"&gt;meds&lt;/a&gt; I take. All has gone fairly smoothly. I went from 140 mg/day of Geodon to 40mg. When I went lower symptoms came back, but getting rid of that and the Seroquel was like coming out of a daze. Friends noted a definite change in personality for the better, I seemed more alive and engaged, both subjectively and in the eyes of others. I reduced the trazodone (for sleep) to where I usually take half of a 25 mg tablet, occassionally taking the other half if my head won't shut down for the day and keeps spinning, a trauma response in some ways but also I think a symptom of a busy life. Wellbutrin went from 450 mg to 300, where I am leaving it for now because it seems to help more than some of the others, and Naltrexone, which I use to fight some of the addictive thinking and compulsivity involved with self-harm stuff, is next on the block but currently at 100mg and holding.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Everything has been more or less fine until the Effexor. If I had known what the withdrawal was, I don't think I would have gone on it even though I was &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-me.html"&gt;pretty desparate&lt;/a&gt; for some relief at that time. I was on 450 mg/day, pretty much at the top end of what can safely be prescribed. My psychiatrist, who I work with on the meds, said withdrawal can be tough, but at first it was fine. I got down to 75 mg/day over the course of the better part of a year, knocking it down by 37.5 mg every few weeks. In going from 75 mg to 37.5 mg, I felt a little achey in the joints and feverish, but it passed after a few days.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then when I made the last step down to zero, it made me really sick. I had &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_shivers"&gt;brain shivers&lt;/a&gt;, or &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_zaps"&gt;brain zaps&lt;/a&gt; -- sort of like an electric short circuit going bzzzzt in your head with the attendant feeling, or like the sound some modems make when they are connecting (more on other people's experiences of Effexor withdrawal are &lt;a href="http://depression.about.com/cs/venlafaxine/a/brainshivers.htm"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.withdrawal.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). For about a week I slept for 16-20 hours a day, and I was very low energy when awake. Fortunately, I don't have fixed hours at work in the summer so I could do this. I ran a low grade fever, felt constant nausea, felt dizzy, like if I closed my eyes I would fall down a dark hole. This was different from the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/02/still-here-still-have-ptsd.html"&gt;top-o-the-elevator, car-with-no-brakes&lt;/a&gt; feeling and or the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/05/safety-and-familiar.html"&gt;world-dropping out from underfoot&lt;/a&gt; feeling: It was a visceral, bodily sensation of falling rather than a PTSD-induced feeling of unsafety, sort of vertigo without the heights. Also experienced headaches along with the feeling of having a wet blanket over my brain, sort of like in the cartoons where they show the little fizzy bubbles above people's heads. Consensus seems to be that the severity of the withdrawal symptoms is due in part to the short half life of Effexor (several hours as opposed to weeks for Prozac). To quote &lt;a href="http://www.iggypop.com/"&gt;Iggy Pop&lt;/a&gt;, "&lt;a href="http://www.lyricsdir.com/iggy-pop-no-fun-lyrics.html"&gt;no fun&lt;/a&gt;."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I did some research and found out what I experienced, along with a couple more, are pretty common &lt;a href="http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.withdrawal.html"&gt;withdrawal symptoms&lt;/a&gt; from Effexor. There are some &lt;a href="http://depression.about.com/cs/toppicks/tp/withdrawal.htm"&gt;suggestions&lt;/a&gt; for alleviating them, including tapering off the Effexor in smaller increments than 37.5 mg. This was my psychiatrist's suggestion, but I had already gone through the worst of it by then, and was not experiencing a re-onset of the symptoms the Effexor was supposed to treat (PTSD-related anxiety and depression) so I decided not to go this route as it seemed like it would only prolong the misery. Another option was to take a dose of Prozac, which has a longer half-life and masks the withdrawal. I didn't like Prozac at all when I took it, so I nixed this. A third was to take the anti-flu concoction Benadryl. I was a little skittish about this as a recovering addict, as twenty some-odd years ago when I was in rehab, they said to stay away from anything with antihistimines because of speed-like qualities. I tried it anyway and so far have not broken out on a crystal meth rampage :) -- and it seemed to help a little.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I seem to have made it through the worst of it, though still a bit dizzy and have the wet-blanket-over-the brain sensation a little. I think that about covers most of the stuff blogspot deleted.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-115525727748956326?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/115525727748956326/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=115525727748956326' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/115525727748956326'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/115525727748956326'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/08/joy-of-meds-effexor-withdrawal-and-oh.html' title='Joy of Meds: Effexor withdrawal (and oh yeah, Blogspot sucks)'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-114701020437692475</id><published>2006-05-07T06:11:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2006-05-07T06:56:44.390-07:00</updated><title type='text'>safety and the familiar</title><content type='html'>My partner is out of town and I've been staying up late catching up on work. I got caught up so I decided to do something different and go out. I realized walking down the street that I have become a creature of habit because of the PTSD. I have a safe set of things that I do and seldom step out of them, which is strange because I used to be quite adventurous.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I realized that as soon as I got out in an unfamiliar time with unfamiliar people (I went out by myself) in a setting I no longer frequent, I got anxious and unsettled. The old feeling of being worried that the next step will be right off the world into some crazy traumatic space came back, like I had a feeling that I wouldn't be welcome -- these spaces are for other people, not for me. I wasn't doing anything dangerous, just going to a club to listen to some music and take in the scene. I don't drink or anything, so no worries about things getting out of control either.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even so, my breath grew short and I had the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/02/still-here-still-have-ptsd.html"&gt;top of the elevator, hit the brakes when your not driving feeling&lt;/a&gt; pretty bad. I practiced a mini version of my &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/grounding-exercises-for-ptsd-symptoms.html"&gt;grounding excercise&lt;/a&gt; and tried to get back into my body and settle down.  I just focused on breathing.  Once when I was in the same room as someoone awful from my past, a friend just whispered to me to breathe.  I think I had a mini-epiphany.  When I dissociate, the first thing to go is I stop taking in the normal amount of air.  It is like going underwater. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Focusing on breathing helped a little and I began to feel a better.  Being outside helped, and I walked in the wrong direction, thinking the club I wanted to go to was somewhere else (I guess I don't get out much) and I think just walking helped.  I hadn't been out all day, and a lot of the time, I think if I didn't force myself, or my partner didn't, I'd just hide out at home and never go anywhere because it is safe. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So my adventure was fine.  The music wasn't so great, but I did something out of my usual routine and not only got through it, but even enjoyed it a little and learned a bit about how sheltered I have made my life.  That has been crucial to my getting better, the feeling of having a safe place, a home.  When I was in treatment for the PTSD, we decided that safety was the first thing I needed, before I could work on anything else.  It makes perfect sense.  I think a lot of Americans feel entitled to it and take it for granted for the most part, but the world I lived in wasn't safe and I no longer trusted any situation when the PTSD got bad.  Everything was dangerous.  Going out a little while tonight made me realize how much I depend on the safety I have established in my life, the familiar, home.  Maybe I can extend that space outward little by little and slowly move back into the rest of the world without such a sense of foreboding anymore if I am careful and go little by little.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-114701020437692475?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/114701020437692475/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=114701020437692475' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/114701020437692475'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/114701020437692475'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/05/safety-and-familiar.html' title='safety and the familiar'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-114247777319388035</id><published>2006-03-15T18:40:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-03-15T18:59:59.286-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Writing when things are ok for once</title><content type='html'>Hi,&lt;br /&gt;I'm still really busy with work and it is still crazy, but I've kind of made my peace with it for now and have gotten back to my regular work, which I like, and am just trying to stay out of the s***storm (see "&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/02/still-here-still-have-ptsd.html"&gt;Still here, still have ptsd&lt;/a&gt;"). The Grateful Dead had a song with an appropriate line about getting through such things: "aint no luck/I learned to duck." And no, I don't think I could be considered a deadhead. At least not lately. But sometimes when I am in the right mood I can listen to some of their stuff and enjoy. I used to like them a lot more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So my ptsd on a good day is pretty mild. I feel a little off from the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-meds.html"&gt;meds&lt;/a&gt; I take (still slowly lowering the doses on them) but that is normal. My hands are not very steady. That is from both the ptsd and the meds I think. But I am in the present. I am not obsessed with the traumatic past. I'm in my body and able to function. That is pretty amazing considering how awful the symptoms used to be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess I should be grateful for all this, and to some extent I am. But I am not grateful for the traumatic events that led to the destruction of a good chunk of my life. I don't get all yippy-skippy with joy when things are going well. I've seen the bottom of that drop out in an instant and always remain a little detached and skeptical. I guess that will never go away. Maybe its normal, a reality check. When the ptsd was bad, I'd get terrible lows. But I am not after equally ecstatic highs. I'd rather go along kinda steady and ok. That is good enough for me and more than I would have expected if you had asked me a couple of years ago.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-114247777319388035?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/114247777319388035/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=114247777319388035' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/114247777319388035'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/114247777319388035'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/03/writing-when-things-are-ok-for-once.html' title='Writing when things are ok for once'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-114116138486434357</id><published>2006-02-28T12:40:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-02-28T13:34:56.906-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Still here, still have ptsd</title><content type='html'>Hi, it has been a while since I last posted, but I am still here. Lately I have been very busy with work. I pointed out a BIG problem there recently, and instead of dealing with it, the folks responsible decided to blame the messenger, scapegoating me as a distraction from the real problem. Getting blamed for stuff that I didn't do is a &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-reactions.html"&gt;real trigger&lt;/a&gt; for me, and I woke up today &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/crawling-out-of-my-own-skin.html"&gt;crawling out of my skin&lt;/a&gt;, which I haven't felt in a while. For a little bit, I even thought I might go into a &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-reactions.html"&gt;flashback&lt;/a&gt; or have a little &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/ptsd-flashbacks-and-pseudo-seizures.html"&gt;non-epileptic siezure&lt;/a&gt; again. I was as close to that as I have been in quite a while. I was &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-splitting.html"&gt;dissociating&lt;/a&gt; and feeling very much out of my body because of the skin-crawling feeling and another feeling that I have described as being in an elevator that is hitting the top floor all day. Another way I have come to describe it will make sense to drivers maybe. The feeling is like when you are a passenger in the front seat and somebody doesn't hit the brakes at a time when you would. That moment of feeling out of control, of not being in charge of yourself as you hurtle through space and time, of hitting the imaginary brakes and finding them not there, but all day, not just for the moment: that is my most common everyday experience of ptsd at present, some days worse than others and today, with the skin crawling and dissociation, pretty bad at the start.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What to do? I have a nice view out the window of my home that I find centering and comforting, so I sat and looked at that while I had my morning cup of coffee before going to work (cutting back on caffeine helps a lot! I used to drink a lot more coffee and it is no help for ptsd at all). At work I did my &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/grounding-exercises-for-ptsd-symptoms.html"&gt;grounding exercise&lt;/a&gt; a couple of times through then got started with my job. After a while of engaging with that (I quite like my work, even when things are rough like at present) I slowly settled back into my body and the jitters and skin-crawlies subsided. Now my main goal is to stay out of the path of the mudslingers at work to keep the triggering to a minimum. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I still have plans for more posts, just no time to write them.  I want to put a sticky post at the top of the blog with a sort of guide to all the previous posts so people can find resources quickly.  I also want to talk a little about a couple of therapeutic techniques I have been working with, EMDR and a related practice called DNMS.  I have had mixed, but overall useful results with both, though I remain a tad skeptical, which is an old defense that results from previous &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/whats-this-betrayal-stuff-got-to-do.html"&gt;betrayals&lt;/a&gt; by therapists.  I have since learned how to protect myself better when &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/choosing-therapist-for-people-with.html"&gt;choosing therapists&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-114116138486434357?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/114116138486434357/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=114116138486434357' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/114116138486434357'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/114116138486434357'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/02/still-here-still-have-ptsd.html' title='Still here, still have ptsd'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113543475719501196</id><published>2005-12-24T06:16:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-24T06:37:06.220-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Fell off the blogosphere....</title><content type='html'>Hi, If you have been looking for a post here this past week or so, it hasn't been happening. My partner is out of town on family stuff and I got really busy at work and the two combined have thrown me a little out of whack. Plus writing all that stuff about trauma, &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;betrayal bonds&lt;/a&gt; and ptsd was sort of emotionally draining. I just kinda wanted to get that out and then didn't have anything to say for a while. So my clock is all messed up from the ptsd. Having a hard time sleeping...I get terrible nightmares as I am dropping off that then wake me up, then I start to fall back asleep and the same thing happens again. Oh well...this is probably my karmic payback for once telling someone with insomnia that nobody ever died from lack of sleep. Days have been ok though. I'm seldom alone so being by myself is a different way of occupying my world. I miss my partner bunches but I'm ok alone. With the nightmares its probably good she's not here as I often accidentally maul her (not hurtfully fortunately, just wakes her) in my sleep or wake her from yelling out in my dreams. This has been going on for several years now, but this past week has been the worst its been in a while. So I don't have any new info...there is more I want to write about...I got a couple of books that Holly posted on a while ago. I read one and will give a mini review, then look around the other blogs on ptsd and related stuff and see if I have anything to say! And Grrrr...I just found out one of my posts that has the links to all the other ones disappeared.  OK, fixed it...If you have been looking for the first page of the betrayal bonds post its &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;back up&lt;/a&gt;.  So that's my little 4 AM stream-of-consciousness report from the front.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I don't get to posting tomorrow, I hope you have a warm and safe holiday with people you love and that love you. G'night.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113543475719501196?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113543475719501196/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113543475719501196' title='9 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113543475719501196'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113543475719501196'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/fell-off-blogosphere.html' title='Fell off the blogosphere....'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>9</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113366427082632346</id><published>2005-12-11T13:09:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-08T19:58:12.494-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dissociation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pseudo-seizures'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='grounding'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='flashbacks'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trauma'/><title type='text'>grounding exercises for ptsd symptoms</title><content type='html'>Today I'll go over a grounding exercise I learned that was very helpful in managing &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/roots-of-ptsd-how-trauma-affects.html"&gt;ptsd symptoms&lt;/a&gt;. Its not a cure. At best, it makes the unbearable manageable. Sometimes when things were really bad it did not work well at all, but I did it anyway. The goal is to bring the ptsd sufferer back to the present by way of the senses, out of a flashback or intrusive memory. Anytime the symptoms of ptsd come on, whatever they are for you, is a good time to practice this exercise.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First look around and &lt;em&gt;see&lt;/em&gt; five things present where you are, naming them -- out loud if possible (the naming out loud is supposed to help, but sometimes I would cheat and do it under my breath, too). Anyway, name specific things, in detail, as you see them. For example, I see a picture of my old dog with a wet nose; I see a black computer speaker; and so on. Then name five things you can hear, like the humming of a fan, cars passing by, the dishwasher running, and so forth. Then name five things you can feel. I had a hard time with this first, because I thought it refered to emotions, feelings, but that's not what I was supposed to be after. Its the sense of touch, so I feel jeans against the skin of my left thigh; I feel the soles of my feet on the floor, and so on. If you get stumped, its ok to repeat things, just concentrate on actually &lt;em&gt;sensing&lt;/em&gt; them in the present. Then repeat the whole process for sight, hearing and touch four times, then three, then two, then one. You get extra bonus points if you become so wrapped up in your senses that you lose count. Generally, this would bring me back a little. I would still be miserable most of the time and in pain, but the memory part would subside and sometimes the worst symptoms of a flashback would recede.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;n.b.: updated 12/8/08 to replace broken links with new ones&lt;/span&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;This isn't the only way to do it, just a very simple and easy to learn one that worked for me if you need it.   About.com has some &lt;a href="http://ptsd.about.com/od/selfhelp/a/flashcoping.htm"&gt;simple suggestions&lt;/a&gt;.  The Mental Health Matters web site breaks it into three options: accept it and go through with it, learn to control it, or escape it.  It is not always a matter of choice though.  Their &lt;a href="http://www.mental-health-matters.com/articles/sv001.php?artID=154"&gt;methods of coping&lt;/a&gt; are the same for whichever option you choose (or which chooese you!), including one that I tried during the worst of the flashbacks at the behest of counselors in the PTSD treatment center I was in.  They had me hold two liter bottles of frozen water (ummm, I think they call it ice :), one in each hand to bring me back.  I melted the ice in both and still didn't come back...they were about to send me off to the hospital, but I managed to get a handle on things after about a four hour flashback.  Possibly the worst few hours of my life.  Cold, the site explains, activates some reflexes that slow down the heart and exert a calming influence.  Finally, you can read a more academic but still enlightening and useful treatment of coping techniques in the book &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=Px38Y1fOUTUC&amp;amp;pg=PA112&amp;amp;vq=grounding&amp;amp;dq=ptsd+grounding+%28technique+or+exercise%29+dissociative&amp;amp;source=gbs_search_s&amp;amp;cad=0"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Rebuilding Shattered Lives&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by James Chu.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113366427082632346?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113366427082632346/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113366427082632346' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113366427082632346'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113366427082632346'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/grounding-exercises-for-ptsd-symptoms.html' title='grounding exercises for ptsd symptoms'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113429567961709168</id><published>2005-12-11T00:23:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-11T02:07:59.656-08:00</updated><title type='text'>What's this betrayal stuff got to do with ptsd anyway?</title><content type='html'>I already wrote a little about betrayal in the posts on &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;betrayal bonds&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/roots-of-ptsd-how-trauma-affects.html"&gt;effects of trauma&lt;/a&gt; over time. Carnes has a whole chapter explaining the power of betrayal. He write that "Common to all is a promise. Those who betray read their victims well. They appeal to the emptiness, the unfinished, and the wounds of others." Otherwise intelligent people set aside their intuitions because the promise is so attractive. "The starting point for all trauma survivors" he says, is a complete acceptance of the betrayal." From a distance this seems obvious, but it is hard to put into effect, and I still struggle with it. Abusive parents in denial, manipulative, self-serving people fostering traumatic relationships who want to feel good about themselves -- these types of abusers have an insidious way of getting into and undermining a person's very sense of self, making me doubt my own reality.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Carnes maps out "five main ways promises are used to betray:"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;u&gt;Betrayal by seduction&lt;/u&gt;: "High warmth with low intention. . . . Relationships are manipulative and exploitive. Agreements are ill-defined, unclear, or tentative. Feelings are anxious and intense. Trust depends on exaggerated or unreal promises. Rewards are in the future and are often conditional. Risk is often one-sided." Most importantly, the seducer is deceptive about all these things in order to lure the other person into the relationship. People with family histories of abuse or trauma are particularly susceptible because they have never learned to protect or take care of themselves in important ways. A traumatized person's "picker" is often broken. Trauma shame creates doubt of one's intuitions. And there is a neediness that allows the person to ignore warning signs&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;u&gt;Betrayal by terror&lt;/u&gt;: If seduction fails, terror might work. Fear "deepens attachment" in ways that can be addictively intense, especially when coupled with seduction. Cults work this dual betrayal very well. They promise vulnerable people what they want, whether that be wealth, friends, spiritual growth, or whatever, but then withdraw support or even rip a person's life apart if they question things. This is the "love bomb" followed by the terror of abandonment. Often the result of betrayal by terror is guilt and shame on the part of the victim. According to Carnes, only seven percent of women who have been sexually assaulted, often by someone they know, report the offense. That is why &lt;a href="http://fightforjustice.blogspot.com/"&gt;Holly&lt;/a&gt;'s work is so important. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;u&gt;Betrayal by exploitation of power&lt;/u&gt;: Sexual harrassment often falls under this category, where women (or occasionally men) are in a position at work where to challenge the abuse would threaten their job because the abuser has more power. Incest relations are another example. They are "exploitation by people in power of those most vulnerable to them. If you're not equal in power, then by definition you're vulnerable. And that vulnerability is critical to trauma bonding." &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;u&gt;Betrayal by intimacy&lt;/u&gt;: In its strongest form this is emotional blackmail by someone you trust. Somebody does something wrong and the other person won't turn him in because she would be affected too. The cult abuse/'support community' that ripped up my life did this by trying to stop me from pursuing legal actions because of the ramifications it would have throughout the community. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;u&gt;Betrayal by spirit&lt;/u&gt;: The most publicized version of this form of betrayal has been the sexual abuse scandals within the Catholic church over the past few years. Not limited by denomination, numerous televangelists have been undone by their sexual betrayals in the past few years too. Carnes thinks the reported cases are only the tip of the iceberg. He doesn't talk about it, but somewhat amorphous New Agey cultish groups also commit these spiritual betrayals. That is part of the story of how my life got ripped apart. And outside institutional religion, "spiritual" abusers often frame what they are doing as "God's will" or some such happy horseshit ("I like to think it happened for a reason"). Whatever the source, spiritual betrayal is doubly damaging, because beyond the abuse, the betrayal cuts off a primary resource for recovery, at least in the twelve step model. Such spiritual betrayals are part of why I don't do step programs any more. Maybe my belief in spirituality was just an illusion anyway. I might be better off, less deluded and vulnerable, without it. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;Again, any combination, or even all of the above may be present. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let me know if you read this by leaving a comment, ok?&lt;/p&gt;All the quotations and information not otherwise attributed above comes from Patrick J. Carnes, &lt;em&gt;The &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558745262/102-4271535-1868148?v=glance&amp;amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Betrayal Bond&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships&lt;/em&gt; (Deerfield Beach, Fla.: Health Communications Inc., 1997), 47-72.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113429567961709168?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113429567961709168/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113429567961709168' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113429567961709168'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113429567961709168'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/whats-this-betrayal-stuff-got-to-do.html' title='What&apos;s this betrayal stuff got to do with ptsd anyway?'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113428789108965672</id><published>2005-12-10T23:55:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-11T00:00:21.323-08:00</updated><title type='text'>The roots of ptsd: how trauma affects people over time</title><content type='html'>&lt;p&gt;Patrick Carnes lists eight ways trauma affects people over time:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-reactions.html"&gt;trauma reaction&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-arousal.html"&gt;trauma arousal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-blocking.html"&gt;trauma blocking&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-splitting.html"&gt;trauma splitting&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-abstinence_06.html"&gt;trauma abstinence&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-shame.html"&gt;trauma shame&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-repitition.html"&gt;trauma repetition&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;trauma bonds&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;Most traumatized people will display some combination of these rather than just one. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The information above comes from Patrick J. Carnes, &lt;em&gt;The &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558745262/102-4271535-1868148?v=glance&amp;amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Betrayal Bond&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships&lt;/em&gt; (Deerfield Beach, Fla.: Health Communications Inc., 1997). &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113428789108965672?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113428789108965672/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113428789108965672' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113428789108965672'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113428789108965672'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/roots-of-ptsd-how-trauma-affects.html' title='The roots of ptsd: how trauma affects people over time'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113360197977953403</id><published>2005-12-09T10:30:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-09T14:45:24.266-08:00</updated><title type='text'>betrayal bonds: trauma repitition</title><content type='html'>&lt;u&gt;trauma repitition&lt;/u&gt;: This aspect of &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;betrayal bonds&lt;/a&gt; involves reenactment or re-creation of prior traumas.   Carnes calls it "living in the unremembered past."  This can take several forms.  Some get in abusive relationships that re-enact the original trauma.  Sometimes it manifests itself in a compulsive behavior. Compulsive masturbation, for example, is usually a reenactment of a childhood trauma.  Combined with shame, the person often becomes suicidal. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The key to understanding trauma repetition is that "in part, trauma repetition is an effort by the victim [or insome cases, the victim/perpetrator] to bring resolution to a traumatic memory. " It is a way of coping with old traumas, but instead of resolving the past, it creates new wounds, compounding and multiplying the problem.  This is where &lt;em&gt;complex&lt;/em&gt; ptsd comes from -- the continued repetition and compounding of some earlier trauma.  For me that was childhood emotional, physical, and sexual abuse in a a family run by a raging alcoholic father and a classically co-dependent mother.    It was a large family, and traumas inflicted on older siblings would then be reenacted on the younger ones. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately, one form of trauma reenactment is "to victimize people in the same way they victimized you."  While not all trauma repetition is perpetration (unless you want to count self-perpetration, which is sort of a contradiction of terms), all -- or nearly all -- perpetration is a repetition of some kind of trauma that the perpetrator also lived through.  One perpetrator often victimizes many people, so the effects get spread widely.  I reenacted things by somehow managing to always find relationships with abusive people, allowing both them and me to re-create traumatic experiences in a sick relationship. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to Carnes (and I'm mostly but not exactly quoting), trauma repetition is characterized by repeated self-destructive (or destructive) behavior, usually of a repetition of some childhood trauma; reliving a story from the past, engaging in abusive relationships repeatedly (this was my pattern -- I thought abuse was normal, and couldn't even recognize it as such until I got in a non-abusive relationship and got help); repeating painful experiences, including specific behaviors, scenes, persons, and feelings; doing something to others that you experienced as an early life trauma. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All the quotations and information not otherwise attributed above comes from Patrick J. Carnes, &lt;em&gt;The &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558745262/102-4271535-1868148?v=glance&amp;amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Betrayal Bond&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships&lt;/em&gt; (Deerfield Beach, Fla.: Health Communications Inc., 1997), 24-26.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113360197977953403?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113360197977953403/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113360197977953403' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360197977953403'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360197977953403'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-repitition.html' title='betrayal bonds: trauma repitition'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113408112684487261</id><published>2005-12-08T14:20:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-08T14:39:01.573-08:00</updated><title type='text'>betrayal bonds: more on trauma shame</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://reallynotimportant.blogspot.com/"&gt;ReallyNotImportant&lt;/a&gt; has made another comment that made me make a reply that made me think things through a little more so that I am going to make it its own post instead of a comment. Got all that? Nevermind. Just think of this as part two of the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-shame.html"&gt;trauma shame&lt;/a&gt; post in the series about &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;betrayal bonds&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Really said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I'm very conscious that you have been through a lot and I don't want to make matters worse.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I guess from reading this stuff, I have been through a lot, but don't worry, as long as people are respectful and talking about their own experience, its fine. I didn't put this stuff up for sympathy or advice so much as to wonder if other people have been through the same sorts of things with their ptsd.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've worked through a good deal of the shame issues I talk about &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-shame.html"&gt;in the post&lt;/a&gt;, very much &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-shame.html#c113397846655989239"&gt;along the lines you map&lt;/a&gt; out. One other thing I learned was that taking on other people's shame is a way of trying to gain control of the traumatic events. If its me, I have an explanation, and maybe even a solution: If its my fault, it might be under my control to change it somehow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, this is an illusion, one that gets reinforced by 12-step work, which encourages people to always look within for the source of our troubles: The only way it makes sense is if I am just somehow utterly broken goods towards whom such behavior is natural. This was reinforced by my abusers big time (who were, not coincidentally, all associated in one way or another with 12-step forms of recovery), and opting out of that illusion has been key to getting better. It is very tempting to revert to it though, in order to have a reason for things other than that people who I trusted and believed in were malicious and untrustworthy. Its a perverse sort of way of maintaining my old view of the world and denying the betrayals that took place.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When this self-shaming takes place now, I am usually aware enough to take a step back, separate myself from my abusers, and recognize that I am trying to make sense of things in a self-destructive way. The betrayals and abuses were real, and they are not mine. As you say, that then leaves me more freedom to deal with the strong emotions connected with the events, which though they may not be pleasant, they are at least somewhat healing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess sometimes I still shy away from dealing with these emotions because when they all came out at once, it was totally overwhelming and destabilizing, so I need to have support and stability to let go of the shame. While it may be a dysfunctional and ultimately self-destructive way of coping, I needed to recognize that coping is what it was about, not some defect on my part, which of course would only reinforce the shame.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113408112684487261?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113408112684487261/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113408112684487261' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113408112684487261'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113408112684487261'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-more-on-trauma-shame.html' title='betrayal bonds: more on trauma shame'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113360194916215735</id><published>2005-12-06T23:25:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-09T14:46:54.676-08:00</updated><title type='text'>betrayal bonds: trauma shame</title><content type='html'>&lt;u&gt;trauma shame&lt;/u&gt;: This aspect of &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;betrayal bonds&lt;/a&gt; was huge for me. "when the victim feels defective, or even worse, at fault, there is traumatic shame. . . . Trauma can also leave a feeling of being defective or flawed. . . . People who become &lt;em&gt;shame-based&lt;/em&gt; have core beliefs that they are unlovable, that if people knew what they were really like they would leave." Reading this was like a light going off. I still struggle with feeling defective. The last worst abusers in my life basically convinced me I was "a damaged self" that deserved being just discarded. I responded to these feelings by folding in on myself, sort of imploding. I got lost in compulsive use of internet porn to kill the pain and suicidal thinking. The porn (and the compulsive masturbation that went with it) made the shame worse, as in principle I think it is violent toward its subjects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the non-traumatic reltionship I had managed to get in, I was sure that if my partner found out about the Internet porn she would leave. She did find out...I finally told her when I thought I was going crazy. It really hurt her, but she immediately saw the connection with trauma that I couldn't and basically stayed with me, even as my mental health went completely to hell. That was a real lesson...she could see things in me that I could not and thought I was worth sticking around for. I figured I had better start to see some of those things in myself too, and I am slowly learning. Releasing myself from the shame and secrecy also undid the hold the compulsive acting out had on me. I started to deal with what had actually happened instead of my shame-distorted views of a whole series of traumatic events that stretched back to childhood.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Trauma shame tends to make some people overcompensate with unrealistic goals followed by more shame at failure in a classic binge/purge cycle. For people with ptsd, all experiences are tend to be processed by the brain as extremes, all black or white, with no grey. The loss of "the ability to operate in a balanced way...further adds to shameful feelings." Shame based people also have a tendency to re-create childhood traumas in adulthood. This was certainly my pattern anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Trauma shame can result in obsessive self-hatred, worse than feeling unlovable or depressed, which can lead to self-destructive, even suicidal thinking and behavior. I made an attempt, but failed, and ended up in a loony bin for three weeks. Never got near addressing any of the causal issues and left basically promising myself not to make another attempt -- I had had my chance -- but still feeling suicidal. I felt suicidal for the next nine years, obsessively self hating and managing to stuff all my feelings, and the memory of traumatic events until everything just fell apart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the paragraph that follows, my comments are in parentheses, the rest is quoted from Carnes. Some signs of shame, according to Carnes, are: "feeling ashamed because you believe trauma experiences were your fault; loneliness and estrangement from others because of trauma experiences; self mutilating behaviors such as cutting or burning (when things were at their worst for me, I would literally rip chunks of flesh out of my stomach, the backs of my hands, and other places, I still have problems with self harm sometimess but not as bad); self destructive behaviors, enduring physical or emotional pain that most people would not accept, avoiding mistakes at any cost; feeling that you should be punished for the trauma event and being unable to forgive yourself (I experienced this as the result of cult abuse, where they ripped apart my life and then blamed me for it); feeling bad when something good happens (good things happening still make me anxious); having suicidal thoughts, threats, and attempts; possessing no ability to experience normal emotions such as sadness, anger, love and happiness (one thing I learned was not to trust anything. I couldn't feel anything but a ripping feeling in my stomach and a lump in my throat for a long time, then rage as I realized what had really happened. Slowly I've gotten some of my emotions back, but I have difficulty trusting happiness or anything good, even today -- its just asnother setup, I think); having a deep fear of depending on people (my partner said I tested her all the time, trying to figure out if she was dependable); feeling unworthy, unlovable, immoral, or sinful because of trauma experiences; perceiving others always as better, happier, and more competent (I saw this as a problem with envy. My abusers got off scot free with ripping up my life, and even seemed to benefit from it and it drove me mad for a while); having a dim outlook on the future; avoiding experiences that feel good, have no risk and that are self-nurturing. "&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I would have never made the connection between trauma and shame without help, including Carnes' book. I had basically repressed memories of the traumatic events and just thought I was a crazy, no good mixed up, broken person, even as my life on the outside appeared to be very successful. Learning the connection between trauma and shame was a real life-saver for me, making sense of something that seemed utterly senseless to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another thing I learned along the way is that there is a healthy role for shame. When someone does something bad, shame is an appropriate response. What happens in trauma bond situations is -- and let me just shift to first person here -- I took on my abusers' shame. They are the ones that should have felt shame, but in a trauma bond situation, perpetrators shuck it off onto their victims, compunding the abuse. Learning that this shame was somebody's, but not mine, was healing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;A little more on trauma shame is &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-more-on-trauma-shame.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;All the quotations and information not otherwise attributed above comes from Patrick J. Carnes, &lt;em&gt;The &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558745262/102-4271535-1868148?v=glance&amp;amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Betrayal Bond&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships&lt;/em&gt; (Deerfield Beach, Fla.: Health Communications Inc., 1997), 21-24.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113360194916215735?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113360194916215735/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113360194916215735' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360194916215735'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360194916215735'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-shame.html' title='betrayal bonds: trauma shame'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113385873991647443</id><published>2005-12-06T00:04:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-06T01:30:16.740-08:00</updated><title type='text'>betrayal bonds: trauma abstinence</title><content type='html'>&lt;u&gt;Trauma abstinence&lt;/u&gt;: The underlying problem causing this aspect of &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;betrayal bonds&lt;/a&gt; is a core belief in one's unworthiness. Self denial is followed by out-of-control sprees. There is an aversion to good, healthy, or nurturing things for the self. Bulimia and anorexia would fall into this category. Often the trauma at the heart of this behavior is family neglect. Children become comfortable with it and become self-neglectful as adults. Coupled with "high arousal events such as domestic violence and sexual abuse and you have a neurochemical cocktail that is hard to beat. . . . the only way to control survival becomes to freeze...Ask nothing. Do nothing. Attract no attention. Yet fear mobilizes the body...In a constant state it can become addictive." Trauma abstinence "occurs especially around memories of success, high stress, shame, or anxiety. . . deprivation is driven by terror and fear" which have powerful effects on the brain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Carnes talks about trauma abstinence in conjunction with addiction, saying the two go hand in hand. I experienced this as getting one area of my life under control only to see another part go out of control. To me its like that game in the amusement park where you swat at gophers as they pop up out of holes. A soon as you get one, two more pop up and they are never under control...which of course is the "rush" of the game.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What are some of the behaviors associated with trauma abstinence? Carnes says (and I'm mostly quoting him with my own thoughts thrown in): Compulsive debtors, people who deny basic needs like groceries, avoid any sexual pleasure or feel extreme remorse over sexual activity, hoard money and avoid spending it on legitimate needs, work in under-achieving jobs and make unwarranted sacrifices at them, spoil success opportunities (this is the one I relate to most), have periods of no interest in eating (for a while when things were bad I didn't eat hardly at all. I'd eat a little because my partner would make me. Lost 40 pounds. Meds put it all back on...drat.) attempt diets repeatedly, see comfort, luxuries, and play activities as frivolous, skip vacations to work on unrewarding tasks, avoid normal activities because of fears (hmmm...I might still do this some...I tend to hide out when left to my own devices), have difficulty with play (I don't have a problem with this:), be underemployed, vomit food or use diuretics to avoid weight gain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think where it shows up in my life is in everyday neglect...not wanting to shower (but I do...so don't worry about the blog smelling bad:), not bothering to eat or eating badly when my partner isn't around, that type of thing. I may have it around some sexual stuff, but its hard to sort all that out. Sex is a real trigger for my ptsd. My partner is also a survivor, and since my ptsd messed up our sex life, we tend to avoid having sex on any regular basis. I don't know if its abstinence or just that freaking out isn't really fun or pleasurable for either of us. I'll talk more about that some other time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All the quotations and information not otherwise attributed above comes from Patrick J. Carnes, &lt;em&gt;The &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558745262/102-4271535-1868148?v=glance&amp;amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Betrayal Bond&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships&lt;/em&gt; (Deerfield Beach, Fla.: Health Communications Inc., 1997), 17-21.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113385873991647443?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113385873991647443/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113385873991647443' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113385873991647443'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113385873991647443'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-abstinence_06.html' title='betrayal bonds: trauma abstinence'/><author><name>GettingBetter</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13051926931303055938</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113360183526017888</id><published>2005-12-03T01:23:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-06T01:06:54.996-08:00</updated><title type='text'>betrayal bonds: trauma splitting</title><content type='html'>&lt;u&gt;trauma splitting&lt;/u&gt;: Carnes defines trauma splitting as the aspect of &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;betrayal bonds&lt;/a&gt; that ignores "traumatic realities by splitting off the experiences and not integrating them into personality or daily life." It is creating another reality and going to it during traumatic events. When this coping style becomes a pattern of dealing with everyday life it becomes a problem instead of a solution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It can take the form of amnesia. I had no memory of what happened at the time when some of the trauma and betrayal stuff happened for years afterward. When it came back I was overwhelmed with flashbacks and stuff, so splitting was an attempt to protect myself from that I guess. I would not be able to remember what day it was or how long ago the flashbacks were either, so I guess that was dissociation too. It can also take the form of splitting from one's body, maybe flying around the room, or detaching and looking down on the scene from above. Sometimes different personalities form during splitting. This gets called multiple personality disorder or dissociative identity disorder (DID).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Addictions often have a component of splitting. Addictive behavior, whether in the consumption of a drug, obsessive or compulsive sex, gambling, or even religious or artistic preoccupation, can be a form of splitting, of creating a fantasy reality that ignores the real state of things. Lots of addicts talk about a "Jekyll and Hyde" experience of having one set of values and behaviors they believe in and another personality, the out of control addict, that seems intent on destroying these.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some signs of dissociation are spacing out as a response to painful memories, confusion and forgetfulness because of preoccupation, resorting to a fantasy world when things get tough, feeling separate from the body as the result of a flashback, amnesia, preoccupation, having compartments to your life others don't know about, living a double life, obsessing around addictive behavior, losing yourself in romantic fantasies, or using marijuana or psychedelic drugs. All of us space out sometimes, the problem is when it becomes a way of life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;All the quotations and information not otherwise attributed above comes from Patrick J. Carnes, &lt;em&gt;The &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558745262/102-4271535-1868148?v=glance&amp;amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Betrayal Bond&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships&lt;/em&gt; (Deerfield Beach, Fla.: Health Communications Inc., 1997), 14-17. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113360183526017888?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113360183526017888/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113360183526017888' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360183526017888'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360183526017888'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-splitting.html' title='betrayal bonds: trauma splitting'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113360180001340027</id><published>2005-12-03T01:22:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-06T01:05:48.486-08:00</updated><title type='text'>betrayal bonds: trauma blocking</title><content type='html'>&lt;u&gt;trauma blocking&lt;/u&gt;: This aspect of &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;betrayal bonds&lt;/a&gt; is about numbing out in all its various forms. Alcohol and drugs are often used. I used compulsive masturbation and internet porn to kill memories and pain. Others eat compulsively, excessive sleep, watch mind-numbing TV to &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-wasting-time.html"&gt;waste time&lt;/a&gt;, become workaholics, maybe bingeing occasionally on any of these behaviors. Often times this is trouble for recovering alcoholics: When they stop the drug, the pain rushes in and they go back or switch to other addictions. The behaviors reduce anxiety, but have their own set of problems. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Often trauma blocking alternates with trauma arousal.  A person will engage in high-risk, high shame behavior such as compulsive sexual activity followed by numbing out with food alcohol or something to numb out the shame.  Another example would be an addict alternating between ice and alcohol, the former for arousal and the latter to numb out afterwards.  When I was using, I used to do speed &lt;em&gt;with&lt;/em&gt; alcohol and depressants in order to be "normal!"  Not quite.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;All the quotations and information not otherwise attributed above comes from Patrick J. Carnes, &lt;em&gt;The &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558745262/102-4271535-1868148?v=glance&amp;amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Betrayal Bond&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships&lt;/em&gt; (Deerfield Beach, Fla.: Health Communications Inc., 1997), 12-14. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113360180001340027?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113360180001340027/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113360180001340027' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360180001340027'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360180001340027'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-blocking.html' title='betrayal bonds: trauma blocking'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113360171467677017</id><published>2005-12-03T01:21:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-06T01:04:57.536-08:00</updated><title type='text'>betrayal bonds: trauma arousal</title><content type='html'>&lt;u&gt;trauma arousal&lt;/u&gt;: This aspect of &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;betrayal bonds&lt;/a&gt; is about getting hooked on high risk, high stress behavors, whether sex, business, violence, dangerous activities, or gambling: seeking pleasure in the face of high risk, danger, violence, or shame. I used to have this a lot more when I drank and drugged, but it was not as much a part of my behavior once I got off the booze and drugs. A person gets hooked to the rush, even if it becomes addictive and interferes with life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;All the quotations and information not otherwise attributed above comes from Patrick J. Carnes, &lt;em&gt;The &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558745262/102-4271535-1868148?v=glance&amp;amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Betrayal Bond&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships&lt;/em&gt; (Deerfield Beach, Fla.: Health Communications Inc., 1997), 9-11. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113360171467677017?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113360171467677017/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113360171467677017' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360171467677017'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360171467677017'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-arousal.html' title='betrayal bonds: trauma arousal'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113360165816958942</id><published>2005-12-03T01:20:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-06T01:04:25.643-08:00</updated><title type='text'>betrayal bonds: trauma reactions</title><content type='html'>&lt;u&gt;trauma reaction&lt;/u&gt;: This aspect of a &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;betrayal bond&lt;/a&gt; takes the form of PTSD. It includes things like intrusive thoughts or memories, sleeplesness, sudden vivid memories, extreme caution, an easily triggered startle response, nightmares, distress at anniversaries or other triggers, angry outbursts, irritability, distrust, physical reactions like cold sweats, shortness of breath, or flashbacks. Any number of things can trigger a ptsd response, which may be pretty severe in the case of a flashback, or somewhat milder but still yukky things like nightmares. I still struggle with sexual relations because they trigger really strong memories of abuse and I have a sort of automatic reaction and just kind of shut down. BTW, this really sucks. the sustained, overwhelming sense of fear that triggers bring on actually changes the neurology of the brain. The body is constantly on a state of high alert, which is wearing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;All the quotations and information not otherwise attributed above comes from Patrick J. Carnes, &lt;em&gt;The &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558745262/102-4271535-1868148?v=glance&amp;amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Betrayal Bond&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships&lt;/em&gt; (Deerfield Beach, Fla.: Health Communications Inc., 1997), 6-9. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113360165816958942?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113360165816958942/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113360165816958942' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360165816958942'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360165816958942'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/betrayal-bonds-trauma-reactions.html' title='betrayal bonds: trauma reactions'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113360158711119754</id><published>2005-12-02T23:07:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-09-14T17:37:02.327-07:00</updated><title type='text'>more on betrayal bonds, aka trauma bonds</title><content type='html'>OK, back to ptsd and betrayal bonds. I wrote a little about them a &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/trauma-bonds-or-betrayal-bonds.html"&gt;few days ago&lt;/a&gt;. I have also put up a whole section on other &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/roots-of-ptsd-how-trauma-affects.html"&gt;symptoms of ptsd&lt;/a&gt;. Here is some more on betrayal bonds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the &lt;a href="http://www.life-healing.com/"&gt;treatment center&lt;/a&gt; I went to for ptsd I was introduced to the concept of a trauma bond. They shared portions of a book, Patrick Carnes' &lt;em&gt;The &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558745262/102-7397238-0324963?v=glance&amp;amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Betrayal Bond&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships,&lt;/em&gt; with me. I immediately bought the whole thing, and it remains about the only self-help type book that I have managed to work all the way through. It transformed my understanding of what was going on in my life, why I kept repeatedly getting involved in traumatic relationships even after getting clean and sober, why I was unable to "just get over it," and finally, what made these relationships so powerful in my life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The place to start is with betrayal. What is it? Carnes starts his book by saying it is "a breach of trust. Fear. What you thought was true -- counted on to be true -- was not." ReallyNotImportant, in his blog on Zen and PTSD, &lt;a href="http://reallynotimportant.blogspot.com/2005/11/reality.html"&gt;describes it nicely&lt;/a&gt; when he says that "the world is suddenly a very strange place. Nothing makes sense. Nothing is clear-cut, everything has nuances. All the certainty is gone." The world becomes unsafe. It may fall away from beneath your feet at any moment. But its not all a lie. According to Carnes, "there was just enough truth to make everything seem right. . . . a little truth with just the right spin." The rest was exploitation and a harsh form of abandonment, which he connects to the core of addictions and shame. It is worse than neglect, being purposeful, in my case even intentionally cruel. And "if severe enough, it is traumatic," he concludes, creating "a mind numbing, highly addictive attachment to the people who have hurt you," leading to self-distrust and self-abandonment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because of my history of abuse and trauma, I managed to stack up a series of these betrayal bonds with god-awful results. Carnes notes that "adult survivors of abusive and dysfunctional families struggle with bonds that are rooted in their own betrayal experiences." He concludes that "Loyalty to that which does not work, or worse, to a person who is toxic, exploitive, or destructive to you, is a form of insanity." So I guess I was insane, at least for a while. That is how it felt, too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He has a &lt;a href="http://www.sexhelp.com/bbindex.cfm"&gt;test&lt;/a&gt; on his website that you might take if you think you are in the grips of a betrayal bond. Some of the signs are "misplaced loyalty, inability to detach, and self-destructive denial." Then comes the punch line, the part that explained why everything could still go crazy even nine years after I had extricated myself from these relationships: " &lt;strong&gt;You will never mend the wound without dealing with the betrayal bond.&lt;/strong&gt;" Time won't heal it, compulsive or addictive behaviors won't numb it away, therapy won't cure it, spirituality won't work...none of it will unless you confront the trauma bond itself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In what sort of contexts do they occur? Carnes gives a list of likely candidates:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;domestic violence&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;dysfunctional marriages&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;exploitation within the workplace&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;religious abuse&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;litigation&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;kidnapping&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;hostage situations&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;cults&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;addiction (alcohol, drugs, gambling, sex, high-risk behavior&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;incest and child abuse&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;Half of those things happened to me in the span of a couple of years, and a couple more had happened earlier. Any of these are complex issues, and Carnes says "an unraveling must occur." There is no simple, quick fix. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;He maps out abuse along two axes, from once or seldom to frequent or constant on the one hand, and from low trauma to high trauma on the other. That explains why someone who has a series of moderately traumatic events can have many of the same symptoms as someone who has a single highly traumatic event. While the symptoms are the similar, it seems to me that the unraveling is a little different for everyone. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;He then lists &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/roots-of-ptsd-how-trauma-affects.html"&gt;eight ways trauma affects people over time&lt;/a&gt;, one of which is the betrayal bond. I'll go into those in the next few posts. Most often, a person who has been traumatized will be affected in more than one, perhaps even all of the ways listed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;As usual, if you got this far, let me know in a comment!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;All the quotations and information not otherwise attributed above comes from Patrick J. Carnes, &lt;em&gt;The &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1558745262/102-4271535-1868148?v=glance&amp;amp;n=283155"&gt;&lt;em&gt;Betrayal Bond&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;em&gt;: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships&lt;/em&gt; (Deerfield Beach, Fla.: Health Communications Inc., 1997). &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113360158711119754?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113360158711119754/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113360158711119754' title='23 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360158711119754'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113360158711119754'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html' title='more on betrayal bonds, aka trauma bonds'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>23</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113349574566992431</id><published>2005-12-01T19:23:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-07-09T04:33:28.159-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pseudo-seizures'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='flashbacks'/><title type='text'>ptsd, flashbacks, and "pseudo-seizures"</title><content type='html'>Just a quick post today. I have lots to write about. Working hard on recovery and finding out some new things from this experience of blogging about my ptsd. I'll share in little bits over the next few days. Plus, I just spent my blogging time commenting on another thought-provoking article on Holly's Fight to Stop the Violence on &lt;a href="http://fighttostopviolence.blogspot.com/2005/11/treating-sexual-pornographic.html"&gt;Internet Porn and Sexual Addictions&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;BTW, &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/grounding-exercises-for-ptsd-symptoms.html"&gt;grounding exercises&lt;/a&gt; can help a little with flashbacks, so if what I describe below is familiar try them out.  They don't make the flashbacks tolerable or make them go away, but they helped bring me back to the present a little sooner when I could do them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just want to talk about what are called "pseudo-seizures." They are a particularly nasty kind of ptsd flashback. When I first came upon the name in therapy, I was relieved that there was even a name for what I was undergoing, namely half-hour to hours long episodes in which I would become a tautly curled up shaking sobbing mass of pain, followed by major disorientation...I often would not know what day it was or if and how long ago the thing had happened. I had hundreds of these over the space of a few months, utterly terrifying and exhausting, doubly so when I didn't know what they were. I just thought I was going crazy. So unlke &lt;a href="http://reallynotimportant.blogspot.com/2005/11/about-me.html"&gt;ReallyNotImportant&lt;/a&gt;, who dismisses the labels as not very helpful, I found having a name for what I was experiencing comforting to some degree. At least I was not alone. This was within the range of human experience, even sane experience.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are having these things, which doctors are now starting to call "non-epileptic siezures" because sufferers have understandably negative and invalidated responses to the "pseudo" part of the label, I truly feel for you and hope you will get help however you can to get through it. There is another side, as far away and impossible as that may seem. I didn't think so either but there is, so plz hang in and get help. There is nothing pseudo about the experience at all. It is horrible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I tried to think what I might have called them if I didn't know what they were...When I was able to contain them to when no one was around, I invalidated them as just me being dramatic -- though never with an audience. I just tried to minimize, hide, and wish them away. Ultimately, they outed me and that is when I got help from my wonderful family of choice. I thought they would think I was crazy and just discard me like my abusers had when they were done with me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess "crazy" or "insane" were my descriptors once the cat was out of the bag. And they would have been correct I suppose if I hadn't been so fortunate as to be able to get help and support. I looked and felt battered and emptied out of all humanity, only able to feel pain and not able to get rid of it for a moment. No relief.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I still get shadows of them today. Sometimes I shake badly. Sometimes like today I feel like I am hitting the top of an elevator all day, an unsteadiness in the pit of my stomach. It serves as a reminder of worse times, but it is nowhere near the intensity of before...I have been "pseudo-seizure" free for a couple of years now. They slowly worked their way out of me. So if you have 'em, please don't let them get that last little bit of you that you hang on by, even if you have to fight tooth and nail and act all unseemly and cry alot. I needed &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-meds.html"&gt;medication&lt;/a&gt; as part of my solution...Geodon was the key one for me, though I know others who hate it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So if you are having these sorts of intense, seizure-like flashbacks, or have had them in the past, leave a comment and let me know I am not the only one in the blogosphere to have had them!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113349574566992431?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113349574566992431/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113349574566992431' title='41 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113349574566992431'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113349574566992431'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/ptsd-flashbacks-and-pseudo-seizures.html' title='ptsd, flashbacks, and &quot;pseudo-seizures&quot;'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>41</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113325762672103625</id><published>2005-11-29T01:04:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-06T01:01:45.833-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Trauma Bonds or betrayal bonds, Stockholm Syndrome</title><content type='html'>[n.b., I have a new post on &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;betrayal bonds&lt;/a&gt; here that has more information]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://reallynotimportant.blogspot.com/"&gt;reallynotimportant&lt;/a&gt; said:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I can understand your desire to want to try and understand everything and why people did what they did. It is natural. I have been there myself.&lt;br /&gt;Ultimately, I think it is pointless and self-destructive.&lt;br /&gt;For me, I decided in the end that some people did some bad stuff and deliberately tried to fuck up my (not personal though) life. Why they did it - well I really don't care. They did what they did. I have no desire left to 'understand' them. &lt;/blockquote&gt;There was something different about our experiences of trauma and ptsd here. You may be right about it being pointless and self-destructive to try and understand a perpetrator's motives. It is a long path to there for me. My last perpetrators were people I trusted and cared about a lot. What they did ultimately may have not been personal -- it is about their sick and twisted minds and the consequent actions--but they personalized it, putting a major head trip on me, which I bought into fully because I trusted and cared for them and was basically naive about how twisted people could be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This sort of betrayal creates something called a trauma bond or &lt;a href="http://www.enotalone.com/article/4291.html"&gt;betrayal bond&lt;/a&gt;. A trauma bond is where an intense, traumatic experience or betrayal of trust takes place, forming an equally intense relationship/bond with the perpetrator. It is related to &lt;a href="http://www.mental-health-matters.com/articles/article.php?artID=469"&gt;Stockholm Syndrome&lt;/a&gt;, after the hostages of Stockholm bankrobbers who waited for them to get out of jail a decade later and defended them -- and one even got engaged to one of them. Its not a real simple thing to just detach from such a bond. I had no frame for understanding it. It cost me my whole community, and I ended up starting over in a new place, which in the long run was a blessing, but in the short run was overwhelming, just having gone through a series of really intense betrayals and having nowhere or no one to go with them and just vent, much less try to make sense of them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ultimately you are right, trying to understand stuff like this is like Nietzsche says, "if you stare long enough into the Abyss, the Abyss stares also into you." It literally made me insane. I had to learn that I was not how other people constructed me...I was and am in charge of my own identity, who I am, and why I do things. This is basic for most people I guess, but it has been a real task for me. I had to come to an understanding that what had been done was abusive, because in the manner of good psychopaths, they made everything look normal on the outside, that it was me with the problem. And so it was: their lives weren't being torn up, mine was.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess what makes things hard for me is that I really cared about and trusted these people, and it was so personalized, being meant to basically destroy me. I'll write more about this later maybe. I'll try and get some some sleep now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;More on &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/more-on-betrayal-bonds-aka-trauma.html"&gt;betrayal bonds&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113325762672103625?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113325762672103625/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113325762672103625' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113325762672103625'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113325762672103625'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/trauma-bonds-or-betrayal-bonds.html' title='Trauma Bonds or betrayal bonds, Stockholm Syndrome'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113325312639597582</id><published>2005-11-28T23:04:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-06T01:01:10.233-08:00</updated><title type='text'>my name, and more on 12 steps, aa people, and trauma</title><content type='html'>Another commetn that turned into a post today. &lt;a href="http://reallynotimportant.blogspot.com/"&gt;Reallynotimportant&lt;/a&gt; raised the issue of ptsd and identity in a &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113306429195948242"&gt;comment&lt;/a&gt;, saying my screen name over-identifies with ptsd, making the ptsd who I am rather than serving as a loose-fitting bundle of descriptions that more or less describe what is going on in my life. I chose the name ptsd guy without much thought. In fact, if I had waited five minutes or a half hour, I would have been traumarama, which I think is kind of funny, instead, but I didn't feel like going and creating a whole new account and so forth. If this blog were my whole identity, I'd be worried about my name...and a whole lot more, but its not. I have put together a pretty regular life, pretty much against all odds. A few people know about the ptsd because I shake badly from it sometimes and they wonder why, but I don't make it a big deal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hanging around with what you call normal people instead of people who define their whole lives around their addictions was a big and scary step for me, and the best one I ever took. I don't hang with people who define their lives by what is wrong with them any more and it has made a huge difference. For one thing I stopped being repeatedly re-traumatized, which was sort of a revelation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the tools I picked up in the trauma treatment center I went to was to separate the trauma from me and distinguish between the two. This remains something I have to practice, some days maybe more than others, so I agree with your critique of my chosen name, but the blog is about that part of me and trauma and ptsd have shaped who I am to some extent, so as long as the blog is not all of who I am, its fine I think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe you are right about it being a 12-step hangover (nice concept) but to me its not all-defining. This blog is where I hope I can work out the parts of me that have been shaped by ptsd. I don't want to say a whole lot more. I don't put all of myself here. I like the anonymity. It allows me a freedom to speak and be spoken to experimentally, without the repercussions of if you knew more about me. Not trying to be mysterious here, but to explain what I put of myself into this blog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, I pretty much hacked on 12 step programs in some of my posts (&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-12-step-programs.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-different-types-of-addicts.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-christianity.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;), but they really did save my life. I am quite ambivalent about them. I was incapable through willpower to quit drinking or using -- I tried that route for five of the most miserable years of my life -- and entering AA, working the steps with fellow addicts and alcoholics is what allowed me to get clean and sober, so I am not really an iconclast about it.   It works for what it does, where other stuff fails.  I just think that 12 step programs are ill equipped to deal with more than their single purpose. If someone came to me and said they couldn't stop drinking I'd take them to aa -- and probably leave them there:) But it does actually get millions of people sober who were intractably and incurably addicted to alcohol and other drugs. I think it is hard for someone whose willpower works for them to understand what it is like to not have it work. Addicts' willpower utterly fails them and they need something more to get clean. 12 step programs do provide that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem is that when you dry them out, you have a room full of crazy addicts who are ten times as dangerous because they are no longer drugged and think they are the cat's pajamas when they are really incredibly twisted human beings who are fortunate to even be alive. That was not a good situation for me, because I seemed to be able to find the sickest most abusive, manipulative, and insidiously cruel people and choose them for friends.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that might be where our ptsd or trauma experiences might be a little different, something I just noticed you mention in another &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113315100774235454"&gt;comment&lt;/a&gt; (Having a hard time keeping up!).  What you have described seems to be a really major once-and-done thing (correct me if I'm wrong here).  Mine is a long history of continued traumas, anyone of which might not have been debilitating in itself (but pretty much any of them could have killed me) which combined to make a pretty yukky soup out of my mind and experience. I have a lot less certainty about who I am maybe. I don't know, I am a little uncomfortable making this sort of comparison -- I posted on avoiding the oppression olympics so I don't want to imply that one is better or worse, just different in some ways in our experiences and responses. But at the same time, there is enough going on in common to make for a conversation in which I need to think about things from sometimes new, sometimes different perspectives, something I'm all for. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, I am being somewhat contradictory but that is how things are, and I guess I'll stick with my ill-chosen name for now. I'll keep what you said in mind though, and if I get around to it or think of a compelling one, maybe I'll change it. Maybe its reallynotimportant:)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113325312639597582?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113325312639597582/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113325312639597582' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113325312639597582'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113325312639597582'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/my-name-and-more-on-12-steps-aa-people.html' title='my name, and more on 12 steps, aa people, and trauma'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113315100774235454</id><published>2005-11-27T19:58:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-06T01:00:11.656-08:00</updated><title type='text'>feeding the right dogs</title><content type='html'>I am doing a bit better today and yesterday than I was &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/crawling-out-of-my-own-skin.html"&gt;the couple of days before that&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;a href="http://reallynotimportant.blogspot.com/"&gt;Reallynotimportant&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://fighttostopviolence.blogspot.com/"&gt;Holly&lt;/a&gt; stopped by the blog and had &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113306429195948242"&gt;helpful things to say&lt;/a&gt;.  Thanks!  Originally, this post was a response to the comments, but I spent a little time on it so I thought I would make it its own entry. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reallynotimportant suggested a bunch of things for the intrusive thoughts and the nightmares.  I do try to do something to distract myself when the intrusive thinking comes up.  When I feed the right dogs, I can often get through by seperating me from the abuse and the abuser, realizing that I am not the trauma or what my abuser tried to make me.  Sometimes that works.  Other times its something good like exercise, playing my guitar, or doing some work, but often I feed the wrong dogs and its internet porn to kill the thoughts and feelings.  I don't use drugs or alcohol for the past 20 some-odd years, so fortunately that's not an option.  Lately I've been writing in this blog and that has greatly reduced the need for the pain-killing behaviors.  The medications help a lot with the intrusive thinking and the compulsive aspects of my reponse to it too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With the nightmares, I was trying to write them down for a while and taking them into therapy, but often I don't wake up enough to get to that.  I hadn't thought about the feelings being more important than the content.  Hmmm....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mostly the nightmares suck because I thrash around and mumble stuff and wake my poor partner up and she won't be able to get back to sleep.  This has been going on for 4 or 5 years now, ever since the worst of the ptsd kicked in, so we've mostly worked out a sytem where she'll jostle me and tell me what I'm doing and that will snap me out of it.  Often I don't even wake up.  She gets kind of resentful about this sometimes, but she knows I am working on it and is really patient.  Neither of us wants to sleep alone.  I'm pretty grateful for that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You are right about getting whatever kind of sleep you can.  I take a lot of naps.  Fortunately with my work, I can schedule things mostly how I want to, with lots of flexibility.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113315100774235454?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113315100774235454/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113315100774235454' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113315100774235454'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113315100774235454'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/feeding-right-dogs.html' title='feeding the right dogs'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113306429195948242</id><published>2005-11-26T19:44:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-03-05T16:03:53.949-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='holidays'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trauma'/><title type='text'>crawling out of my own skin</title><content type='html'>PTSD sucks some days.  The last few days fell into that category.  At least its not constant like it used to be.  Two days ago was crawling out of my own skin day.  I just walked around with this ripping burning nauseous feeling centering on my solar plexus like I wanted to puke my guts literally out...just get whatever it was out of my body.  It makes me kind of understand bulimia, which I never fortunately had.  My partner gave me a massage which helped a little, but it didn't go away until I went to sleep.  I suspect it had something to do with stuff brought up in therapy that day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then the next day I was revisited by another of the joys of ptsd, intrusive thinking.  Any moment of down time, thoughts of my abuser would come flooding in and I would try to make sense of the senseless, over and over.  This lasted until I went to sleep, maybe longer, as I tossed and turned a lot and had nightmares.  All in all it kind of sucks.  My partner thinks it might be because of the &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2008/12/ptsd-and-holidays-revisited.html"&gt;onset of the holidays, which is a tough time for me&lt;/a&gt;.  Anyway, at least now it is not constant.  Before the intrusive thinking and the ripping feeling, along with a lump in my throat were my ennervating constant reality.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113306429195948242?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113306429195948242/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113306429195948242' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113306429195948242'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113306429195948242'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/crawling-out-of-my-own-skin.html' title='crawling out of my own skin'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113278852183046967</id><published>2005-11-23T13:32:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-11-23T15:28:41.880-08:00</updated><title type='text'>ptsd, race, class, homelessness, and money</title><content type='html'>I am very fortunate. When my ptsd got bad and I had about 120 flashbacks that looked like seizures over the course of seven weeks and was completely incapacitated, I had very good friends and family (not my family of origin, though) that supported me and got me through. Left alone I would have surely killed myself or ended up homeless, babbling on the street. Iwas staying in a big city at the time and would see homeless people, often with that thousand mile stare, and feel how little it was that separated me from them. Many times I felt like just walking off and joining them, just giving up. I realize that there are all sorts of reasons people become homeless. For a while in my addiction I was too, so I am not just romanticizing or being dramatic. I believe that many of the homeless are people who suffer from acute, untreated ptsd. Lots are vets, a population at high risk for ptsd. Many show the symptoms. The lack of trust in homelessness resources, hypervigilance that people with homes perceive as scary paranoia, the "crazy" looking behaviors, the empty broken look in their eyes: all of these could be from ptsd, a way of coping with overwhelming trauma.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Like I said, I am very fortunate. I was able to go to a treatment center for ptsd for seven weeks. We did not have the money to be able to afford all of it, so we borrowed from friends and my partner's family and ran up the 0% credit cards. Help came from unexpected quarters. A loan here, a gift from an unexpectedly supportive source, a plane ticket to the treatment center, a friend to accompany me there when I might not have been able to make it on my own, even the treatment center gave me a week-and-a-half "scholarship" at the end so I could get the most out of it: All these came through.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My parents, in complete denial about the emotional, mental, and sexual abuse that took place in our family would have nothing to do with it and refused to help. When I told them I was suicidal and needed help, they asked if I had gotten a second opinion ... Like a bad Rodney Dangerfield joke or something. Iwas so familiar with their ways that I already had gotten one, and a third and fourth one too. All recommended treatment if it was possible to go. The 'rents asked if I had talked to anyone that disagreed and refused to help, basically saying that no one else in the family had ever said there was abuse (this was not actually true, but denial is a wonderfully effective tool) and that I was making it up and under the control of evil shrinks! It is still tempting to cave in to their way of thinking -- especially if I have contact with them -- which is that I am just incompetent and lazy and kind of brainwashed. For that reason, I don't keep in touch any more. I just cannot deal, so I don't.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So anyway, the treatment center is in the southwest. Pretty much everyone there was well-to-do. A few were covered by insurance (I was not). Everyone was white. Not a single person of color among the clients. There was one Chicana and one part Native American woman on the part-time staff, but otherwise, all of them were white too. The drivers, janitors, and housekeeping staff were all Mexican, though. Nobody seemed to notice. That is just the way things were (and probably still are). Clients in groups would waste time on BS to avoid dealing with trauma issues, which really made me angry, because of all the sacrifices we had made for me to be able to go. When I got angry about this, they got mad at me that I was minimizing the connections they were making. Maybe that is right, I don't know.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a friend, a woman from the Caribbean who has ptsd from political violence, and she came to visit, curious if there was anything there for her. She noted that everyone was caught up in their own little worlds...all the trauma, including mine, was very individualistic. There was no awareness of racial or class differences even though they were really obvious if anyone took the time to look. And it didn't seem as if socially inflicted traumas from war, political violence, or poverty were anywhere on the horizon of their consciousness. I wonder if that has changed at all with all the Iraq vets coming home and developing ptsd.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, Like I said, I am very fortunate. Fortunate to be a white male. Fortunate that I was in a place where I was able to scrape together the resources to get help. Fortunate that my traumas were generally within the scope of what they deal with (although I think I was the only one there at the time who had ever been poor or homeless). Fortunate to have such a great and supportive network of friends, my family of choice, something that a few years earlier I did not have at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With all that good fortune though, came the realization that many -- maybe most -- of the people suffering from ptsd just do not have the resources to get the help they need. That really says a lot about our society, that the people who are most vulnerable and in need, the people most traumatized by structural conditions like racism and poverty, are just left out of the picture for the most part. There are token efforts and some volunteer efforts to reach them, but the &lt;a href="http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/editorial/entries/2005/08/give_returning.html"&gt;Bush&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2005/11/11.html#a1008"&gt;administration&lt;/a&gt; (&lt;a href="http://akaka.senate.gov/~akaka/releases/05/02/2005208513.html"&gt;regime&lt;/a&gt;?), his &lt;a href="http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=56488"&gt;cronies&lt;/a&gt; in &lt;a href="http://vawatchdog.blogspot.com/2005/11/its-buyer-beware.html"&gt;Congress&lt;/a&gt;, and the &lt;a href="http://jack-dalton.blogspot.com/2005/11/least-we-forget-behind-walls-of-ward.html"&gt;Army&lt;/a&gt; are putting current veterans' benefits under siege.  You can forget about serving 9/11 or Katrina survivors -- Bush's response is to &lt;a href="http://www.atsnn.com/story/168687.html"&gt;pray for them&lt;/a&gt;.  And a discussion of structural poverty that results from greed and racism and leaves thousands traumatized or homeless or drug-addled or poor or all of the above is nowhere on the horizon.  Maybe its time to start having these discussions.  What do we do?  Especially those of us who are fortunate enough to be able to afford and have the support to recover somewhat.  Don't we owe it to those that don't have the resources to try and change things?  But how?  PLz talk back.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113278852183046967?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113278852183046967/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113278852183046967' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113278852183046967'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113278852183046967'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-race-class-homelessness-and-money.html' title='ptsd, race, class, homelessness, and money'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113271883048268536</id><published>2005-11-22T17:29:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-08T18:07:55.564-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Choosing a therapist for people with ptsd</title><content type='html'>[&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;n.b.: links fixed, 12/8/08&lt;/span&gt;]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When the symptoms of my ptsd &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-me.html"&gt;exploded on me&lt;/a&gt; a few years ago, I had no idea what it was, what was going on or how to deal with it. I thought I had gone crazy and was headed for a trip to the loony bin again. Fortunately, with a lot of help from friends, especially my partner, I was able to get help. I wish I had a guide like the &lt;a href="http://www.sidran.org/sub.cfm?contentID=62&amp;amp;sectionid=4"&gt;one I found today&lt;/a&gt; from the &lt;a href="http://www.sidran.org/index.cfm"&gt;Sidran Institute&lt;/a&gt; back then. If you need emergency help, if you think you will harm yourself or others, get help from 911 or a hotline immediately. If you are well enough to look for a therapist check out the guide now. What follows is my experience in finding both really bad therapists and finally figuring out how to find some good ones (I also needed to go to a &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/comprehensive-list-of-us-treatment.html"&gt;treatment center&lt;/a&gt;, which helped a lot, giving me an understanding of ptsd and some tools to deal with it in a safe supportive environment).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had no idea of what to look for in a therapist when my life fell apart on me. Part of my ptsd involves earlier abuse by therapists, and I was turned off by the whole thing but really needed help. I chose a real loser at first, another abusive therapeutic relationship. There are so many bad shrinks out there. This one blamed everything on me and said I had caused all my own problems because of my shortcomings. I think he was trying to goad me into getting angry at him, some kind of manipulative move to get a reaction from me for the sake of "therapy." I went with my partner to one visit and she was like "this guy is nuts, let's get out of here," so we walked. She has good sense. I seem to have a broken "picker," something that is pretty common to people with complex ptsd.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Things were too crazy and unmanageable for me to give up the search, so with my partner's help, I kept looking. We asked around about what to look for and interviewed several people before settling on one who turned out to be good. We came up with a set of questions to ask, but I forget what they were. Today, while reading the post on treatment centers, I followed a link at the bottom of the page that turned out to be an &lt;a href="http://www.sidran.org/sub.cfm?contentID=62&amp;amp;sectionid=4"&gt;excellent guide to choosing a therapist&lt;/a&gt; for people who have ptsd and trauma-related issues. It would have been great to have it back then.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The guide gives a few important criteria for choosing. First, the therapist should be your partner in healing, not the director of it. She has to respect you and your experience and draw on it to help you. This doesn't mean you need to be pals inside or outside therapy. That can turn into more trauma and cause major trust issues later when trying to start with another therapist. But you need to collaborate in your recovery, so look for a good rapport. This was pretty hard for me, as trauma and abuse taught me &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; to trust my intuitions. That is why I was lucky to have friends to bounce things off of while I was choosing a therapist -- once I was willing to, anyway. Like I said, I stumbled on my own at first. That is slowly getting better though, and I am reclaiming trust in my intuitions, which are actually pretty sharp, like those of most survivors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second was to find someone qualified. Anyone can call themselves a therapist, so ask about training. Look for people with at least a masters degree in an appropriate field. Psychologists have to be licensed and have at least a Master's. I have looked for ones with Ph. D.s. This is not a guarantee, as the one we walked out on was a Ph.D. Losers come in all flavors. I had consistent problems with a group of people called "certified addictions counselors" (CACs).  All you need for this is a Bachelor's degree and some additional experience and training. The people found tended to go for new-agey solutions or be didactic about twelve step programs, and were in hindsight consistently bad. I also had lots of problems with boundaries with these peole. They did a lot of overzealous intrusions into my life. Part of the problem is that many of them are egotistical &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-different-types-of-addicts.html"&gt;"type A" alcoholics&lt;/a&gt;. Unfortunately for the dually diagnosed ptsd suffering addict, most rehabs refer clients to CACs. I am sure there are good ones but my experience has been uniformly awful, not matter how well-intentioned they were. A thorny problem is that bad therapists tend to be more affordable than good ones, which is really an important factor for people who don't have insurance and are in early recovery from addictions. If you are on a budget and don't have insurance, be extra careful!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are many types of therapy, and various camps will tell you that one or the other is the only or most effective treatment for ptsd. I have found that rapport and qualifications and a willingness to collaborate are much more important than the particular approach, whether it is cognitive behavioral, Jungian psycoanalytic, Psycho-dynamic or whatever.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;HOWEVER, that said, avoid at all costs quick wonder cures or anyone that tries to sell you a one-size-fits-all treatment regime. Recovery from complex ptsd takes time, flexibility, and sensitivity. I don't know, maybe simple ptsd, where there is no chronic or multiple abuse, responds to some of the more legitimate brief therapies, but not mine. Run as far away as quickly as possible from any cultish or new-agey spiritual methods like "&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming"&gt;neuro-linguistic programming&lt;/a&gt;" (NLP) or any of its myriad offshoots like "time-line therapy," "advanced neuro-dynamics," "humanistic neuro-linguistic psychology," the fake Hawaiian spiritual practice "Huna," or whatever other label they are using this week. These promises of quick cures are tempting to people who are literally dying for a solution, but they play on vulnerability, slowly, even imperceptibly, seeking to separate the client from his wallet through ever-more expensive treatments and "trainings." They are manipulative, and if the "cure" fails, they blame the client rather than trying something else, further compounding the trauma. They often play on people's spiritual longings or cloak themselves in quack versions of legitimate sciences like linguistics or quantum physics.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately, these treatments, with their promises of quick solutions, often present themselves as the most affordable and financially accommodating, making them doubly attractive to the doubly vulnerable, those without insurance or a lot of financial resources. Look for someone you can trust. If you are not sure of your own instincts, get someone whose judgment you respect who has no connection to the proposed therapist to help you pick and choose. Its vitally important that you be able to develop rapport and a partnership with your therapist. It will take some time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having said all that, here is a brief excerpt from the &lt;a href="http://www.sidran.org/sub.cfm?contentID=62&amp;amp;sectionid=4"&gt;guide to choosing a therapist if you have ptsd&lt;/a&gt;.  If you like it they have a &lt;a href="http://www.sidran.org/pdf/Therapist_Interview_Questions.pdf"&gt;version that you can print out and take with you&lt;/a&gt; (pdf) too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Questions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;What are your credentials?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;What are your specialties?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;What professional organizations to you belong to?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How long have you been conducting therapy?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;What experience have you had in treating traumatic stress conditions?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How do you approach treatment of traumatic stress conditions?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;What do you charge?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Do you accept insurance? If so, what kinds?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Do you have a sliding fee scale? If so, how is payment determined?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Do you bill people, or is payment expected at the time of the session?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How do you protect client confidentiality? Who (besides you) will have access to my files?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How long is each session? Are there exceptions to this?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Has anyone ever lodged a formal complaint against you?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Have you ever been censured by a professional organization?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;If I were in crisis, would I be able to reach you? How do you handle crises?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;What is your policy about missed sessions?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;What is your policy about physical contact with clients?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;What is your policy about contact outside of the session?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Do you arrange vacation coverage?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;What happens if one of us decides to terminate without the other's &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;agreement?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Do you think you can help me?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Is there anything I should know about your services that I didn't think to ask about? &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;My impressions: check all that apply&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;I felt safe and reasonably comfortable&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I felt understood and taken seriously&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I was treated respectfully&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;We agreed about the nature of the problem&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;This feels like it could be a good "match"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;My questions were answered adequately&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;My treatment goals were addressed&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;This individual is clinically qualified&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I can afford it&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;I can get there with reasonable ease&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;Overall impression:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Good&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Fair&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Poor&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113271883048268536?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113271883048268536/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113271883048268536' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113271883048268536'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113271883048268536'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/choosing-therapist-for-people-with.html' title='Choosing a therapist for people with ptsd'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113270842958549383</id><published>2005-11-22T16:30:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-09-06T21:33:55.324-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='treatment'/><title type='text'>Comprehensive list of US Treatment Centers for PTSD and Trauma</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: #990000;"&gt;updated, 9/6/2011&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is one of the most read pages on the site, so I guess there must be a need for more information of this sort.  The &lt;a href="http://www.sidran.org/"&gt;Sidran Institute&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;gave me the original list, which I have now removed because it was outdated. &amp;nbsp;Sidran has put the &lt;a href="http://www.sidran.org/pdf/traumatreatmentcenters.pdf"&gt;comprehensive list of U.S. treatment centers&lt;/a&gt; online themselves as a pdf, so read that, but also please be sure to check the comments section to this page after you do, as many people have shared their experiences about specific places. &amp;nbsp;Sidran has&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.sidran.org/sub.cfm?sectionID=5"&gt;an excellent help desk&lt;/a&gt;.  If you need help locating a treatment facility, contact them.  If you have concerns about contacting a place over the net, they have a page explaining &lt;a href="http://www.sidran.org/pdf/HelpDesk_Interview.pdf"&gt;how the help desk works&lt;/a&gt;. If you want to help out, their help desk is currently without funding and run all by volunteers, so make a donation or volunteer once you are better.  They will use it to make sure someone is there when you need them and to update their resources to make it easier for volunteers to find the information you need. They are doing great work. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sidran's list may not be exhaustive, but it is up to date. If you know of a place that treats PTSD that they do not list, share your experience in the comments. &amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Before contacting any of the centers (besides Sidran) it would be a good idea to look at the post on &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/choosing-therapist-for-people-with.html"&gt;how to choose a therapist for PTSD&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If anyone has a comparable list for other countries, email it to me and I'll post it. If you are considering one of these places, make sure you check for references to it in the comments below the main post too, as many readers have offered their very valuable personal experiences at a number of these places.  If you have had good or bad experiences, feel free to share.  I reserve the right to not publish if it seems there is disrespect or slander going on.  Please avoid naming particular people, but saying the" director," "my therapist" and so forth is fine.  Otherwise, keep it real and I'll approve the post no problem.  There are some names in here right now because I did not put this policy into place until 4/29/2010, but I'll leave them unless I get complaints from the person named as the comments are still valuable and I cannot edit them, just publish them or not.    &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113270842958549383?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113270842958549383/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113270842958549383' title='70 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113270842958549383'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113270842958549383'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/comprehensive-list-of-us-treatment.html' title='Comprehensive list of US Treatment Centers for PTSD and Trauma'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>70</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113251875895154134</id><published>2005-11-20T11:32:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-11-20T12:32:38.963-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Holly's blog entries on ptsd and other stuff</title><content type='html'>I've been putting off posting a few days while mulling some things over.  In hunting around for other blogs about ptsd I found &lt;a href="http://fightforjustice.blogspot.com/"&gt;Holly's Fight for Justice&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://fighttostopviolence.blogspot.com/"&gt;Holly's Fight to Stop the Violence&lt;/a&gt;.  Both have tons of great entries.  She has a clear and concise description of &lt;a href="http://fightforjustice.blogspot.com/2005/09/ptsd.html"&gt;what ptsd is&lt;/a&gt; and her own experiences of it.  There is a &lt;a href="http://ml"&gt;excerpt&lt;/a&gt; and another link to a &lt;a href="http://home.flash.net/~mikefox/whatis.htm"&gt;site&lt;/a&gt; about emotional rape, which puts a label on the last and worst trauma that fuels my ptsd.  An entry on &lt;a href="http://fightforjustice.blogspot.com/2005/09/trusting-your-memories-of-sexual-abuse.html"&gt;trusting memories of sexual abuse&lt;/a&gt; is affirming and reassuring to those like me who tend to minimize it and not believe our own memories.  She has given me a lot of food for thought and some fuel for future posts, I hope.  You Go, Holly!!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113251875895154134?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113251875895154134/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113251875895154134' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113251875895154134'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113251875895154134'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/hollys-blog-entries-on-ptsd-and-other.html' title='Holly&apos;s blog entries on ptsd and other stuff'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113219903562283990</id><published>2005-11-16T19:31:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-11-16T19:43:55.630-08:00</updated><title type='text'>ptsd and wasting time...</title><content type='html'>ok, so no rant today. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the difficult things about my ptsd is that I end up wasting vast amounts of time.  I have a job where I can sort of get away with it, but there's lot's of stuff I'd like to be doing instead of what I do do.  I have been spending whole days surfing internet porn sites.  Actually writing this blog has improved that a little bit.  Now I spend 7/8 of my time reading blogs and writing mine and 1/8 surfing porn and whacking off.  It is kind of self destructive, which is something I have fought with for years, even after setting down what seems like they should be the most self destructive behaviors, the drugs and alcohol. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In treatment for the ptsd and in therapy, I was told that all this avoidance is avoidance of pain having to do with the various traumas.  I always intend to spend the day productively but just seem to get sucked into diversions.  Is it pain killing?  Or lack of discipline and laziness?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It actually was a little better for a while when I was on heavier dosages of the Geodon, but when I reduced that, the bad depression and ptsd symptoms (like wanting to crawl out of my skin and feeling constantly nauseous and so forth) came back and so the time wasting and internet porn surfing came back to mask/numb/avoid feeling that.  I re-upped the dose, but while I feel better, the old time wasting habits returned and are hard to kick again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is sort of a double bind.  When I am medicated enough to not compulsively act out I am too fuzzy for much else, and when I reduce the meds, I think a lot clearer but the compulsive behavior returns.  Go figure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you read this let me know, ok?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113219903562283990?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113219903562283990/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113219903562283990' title='15 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113219903562283990'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113219903562283990'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-wasting-time.html' title='ptsd and wasting time...'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>15</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113210230996961458</id><published>2005-11-15T15:57:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-06T00:55:54.760-08:00</updated><title type='text'>ptsd, aa and christianity</title><content type='html'>Well, yesterday's post got me looking around for other bloggers writing on ptsd, and I found some doozies. Apparently, there is a whole movement afoot to basically take over aa and replace tolerance for all sorts of spirituality and even atheism with a narrowly evangelical, homophobic, misogynist christianity. For example, &lt;a href="http://christianrecovery.blogspot.com/2005/11/gay-aa-meetings_12.html"&gt;Ted W&lt;/a&gt;., who basically gives his last name and thus breaks his anonoymity at the level of publishing, argues that &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I guess its an undeniable truth that some people get sober in Gay AA and then later face up to the truth of the sin of homosexualtiy. Nevertheless, I still believe AA would be better off if it didnt publish pro-homosexual literature. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;One of the key messages of a program of recovery is &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?num=100&amp;hs=5m9&amp;amp;amp;hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;amp;safe=off&amp;client=opera&amp;amp;rls=en&amp;q=site%3Aaa.org+inurl%3Abigbookonline+tolerance&amp;amp;btnG=Search"&gt;tolerance&lt;/a&gt;, something that seems to be missing here. In another entry, Ted preaches that &lt;a href="http://christianrecovery.blogspot.com/2005/11/hate-root-of-addictions.html"&gt;hate is the root of addiction&lt;/a&gt;...not his any more of course, but others toward him. I wrote back that:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Pretty amazing that you can preach that hate is the root of addictions at one spot in your blog and then go off on this homophobic nonsense here...Anybody can get together and call themselves an aa group as long as their primary purpose is to get sober. There are lots of homophobic, racist, misogynist straight white guy meetings (you can just call them real meetings, because you don't see the privilege you are taking and denying others by forcing your morals and standards on them). And don't give me that "love the sinner, hate the sin" nonsense and expect me or anyone with a whit of sense in their heads to take seriously your hypocritical rejection of hate. There need to be gay meetings and other special interest meetings precisely because of people like you and your intolerance. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;My experience is that there are haters of all kinds in aa, cloaking their hate in 12-speak or god-talk but somehow the most vocal are always straight white men who don't understand why the Blacks (they'll often use other terms in the parking lot) and homosexuals need to have there own meetings because aa is for everybody, and if they don't like the white straight male hateful version of it they just don't want to get sober. I've watched this sort of thing clear the room of the people named and make meetings whiter and straighter. De facto, that is a special interest meeting in itself, a white straight male one. I don't like those meetings even though I happen to be a white straight male. They do damage and drive people away who otherwise might have a shot at recovery then and there were it not for intolerance. In fact, if it were not for this type of intolerance, special interest meetings for people other than racist homophobic white straight males wouldn't be necessary. So if they want to get rid of special meetings, Ted, why don't you just show some tolerance for people who are different from you?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Then there are the &lt;a href="http://www.dickb-blog.com/"&gt;wing-nuts&lt;/a&gt; who are trying to make aa into a &lt;a href="http://www.archivesinternational.org/AI/Historyarticles/index.html"&gt;evangelical, religious, christian organization&lt;/a&gt;. They are pretty straight up about it, arguing that it comes directly from christianity and therefore that is how it should be now. Sort of like the argument for original or framers' intent on the constitution, to which the late &lt;a href="http://www.thurgoodmarshall.com/speeches/constitutional_speech.htm"&gt;Thurgood Marshall&lt;/a&gt; noted that if the case of original intent was sound, he would be a slave to the white judges rather than a fellow jurist. "We know only a little" the Big Book says in one of the last paragraphs, so why do these people want to limit that to the little bit that they knew when they wrote it? Probably because any thing, practice, or person that is different from them scares them. One of the chief responses to fear is to lash out, and that is what I think is going on. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So what does all this have to do with ptsd? Well Ted argues that his alcoholism was the result of unaddressed ptsd. Did he ever stop and think that his addiction to hate and intolerance might be too? The people I read today are good examples of what I was calling yesterday "&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-different-types-of-addicts.html"&gt;Type A&lt;/a&gt;" addicts. Well it is time for us "Type B"s to speak up. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113210230996961458?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113210230996961458/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113210230996961458' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113210230996961458'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113210230996961458'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-christianity.html' title='ptsd, aa and christianity'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113201297589243763</id><published>2005-11-14T15:14:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-06T00:55:11.320-08:00</updated><title type='text'>ptsd, AA, and different types of addicts</title><content type='html'>OK, so today I want to talk about something I figured out from years of AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) meetings. First, let me say that I am speaking as a member, though not an active one, and I can do this because my blog is anonymous. I make no claims, as will become obvious, to be speaking for all of aa. In fact many would probably disagree with what I have to say.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think there are two (who knows, maybe more, but two will do for now) types of alcoholic or addict. The first kind is the kind the program is designed for. Sort of a "type A" aggressive, in your face, screw-up-everyone's-life-around-you alcoholic. Then there is te second, the "type B" alcoholic that basically self-medicated and tried to disappear into oblivion in order to avoid dealing with pain, often in the form of traumatic memories leading to ptsd. This isn't to say that "A"s don't experience pain, trauma, or ptsd. It is more about how they respond to it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The twelve steps are designed to break down this "type A" kind of alcoholic's denial about the effects of her alcoholism on those around her. This is often a rude awakening, as the alcoholic comes to terms with all the damage he has done, and he will often fight it tooth and nail, hence the necessity of breaking down the defenses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The "type B" alcoholic gets treated with this same barrage, but has a different system. Often this type of alcoholic, of which I was one, is more than willing to take on all the baggage of being some kind of perpetrator even though he -- I in this case -- mostly did damage to himself. On a personal level, I thought I was rotten to the core, because I had internalized my abusers' messages to me. As a result, I basically isolated myself from other human beings. I had this backwards idea of boundaries that rather than being there to keep other people &lt;em&gt;out&lt;/em&gt; of my space, their purpose was to keep me &lt;em&gt;in,&lt;/em&gt; to prevent me from doing more harm by nature of my very existence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, the "type B" -- and here I'll just switch to the first person to keep it real -- soaks this stuff up. List our personal defects? You bet. How we had harmed others? Oh sure, I was worried about how I might have upset my perpetrators and thought I had to make amends to them for what I had done wrong!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And then there is the AA approach to anger...just accept things, forgive and forget, turn it over, do anything but get angry: This is "a dubious luxury we cannot afford." Of course to a rage-a-holic, this is pretty good advice. But to someone who has been beaten and battered it is harmful. Unacceptable things happened! Accepting them is wrong. Maybe accepting &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; they happened is productive, but accepting that it is ok is just messed up. Forgiveness for atrocious behaviour needs to be optional. I'll do it, or not, in my own time, and I don't need to forgive assholes in order to heal. That is just a bunch of crypto-christian BS. But for a decade, I was turning it over, praying for my perpetrators, and dying inside because I didn't get any better. That is because they were wrong, fucked up, and I don't wish them well. I wish them a hell on earth of their own making, I wish that they get back what they gave me. And since I have come to terms with that, I have been able to get better.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the the program seems to encourage the opposite. Particularly since most of the &lt;a href="http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/"&gt;big book&lt;/a&gt; thumpers and the people who tend to take things over and have the strongest opinions are "type A"s who are more than willing to say that everyone should be doing things and being exactly like they are. They cram their version of spirituality down people's throats, even if it means using their god as a justification for doing sick and twisted things. Anyway, that was my experience. None of this was done in a hostile way, it was always, even at its most aggressive, done with a patina of holiness and a sort of new agey type zen affect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am so well trained in AA that I feel a little guilty even saying this stuff, and I do think that the twelve steps can be a useful approach, but not unless there is some recognition that there are more than one type of addict and that one size recovery does not fit all. Rehabs an dplaces that deal with ptsd are &lt;a href="http://www.bhrm.org/guidelines/PTSD.pdf"&gt;starting to realize this&lt;/a&gt; (pdf).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And finally a quote for said big book thumpers: &lt;blockquote&gt;Our book is meant to be suggestive only. We realize we know only a little.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Maybe some of them, if they opened it and read it instead of just thumping it, would be a little more open to the full gamut of people who suffer and are in recovery from addictions, not just the ones who match their profile, which they then claim to be universal.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So anyway, a bit of a rant today. If you read it, plz let me know by leaving a comment, whether you agree or disagree!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113201297589243763?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113201297589243763/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113201297589243763' title='22 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113201297589243763'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113201297589243763'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-aa-and-different-types-of-addicts.html' title='ptsd, AA, and different types of addicts'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>22</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113192154708888538</id><published>2005-11-13T13:32:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-06T00:54:31.220-08:00</updated><title type='text'>ptsd and 12 step programs</title><content type='html'>I think for the next few days I'll write about ptsd and 12 step programs like &lt;a href="http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/"&gt;Alcoholics Anonymous&lt;/a&gt; (AA), &lt;a href="http://www.na.org/"&gt;Narcotics Anonymous&lt;/a&gt; (NA), &lt;a href="http://www.al-anon.alateen.org/"&gt;AlAnon&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.adultchildren.org/"&gt;Adult Children of Alcoholics&lt;/a&gt; (ACOA or ACA), &lt;a href="http://www.siawso.org/"&gt;Survivors of Incest Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.sexaa.org/"&gt;Sex Addicts Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.emotionsanonymous.org/"&gt;Emotions Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;, and one I didn't know about, &lt;a href="http://www.bein.com/trauma/index.html"&gt;Trauma Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;. There are &lt;a href="http://www.12steps.org/12stephelp/12steplinks.htm"&gt;many more&lt;/a&gt;, but these are the ones I have had experience with (except the last one). They all use the twelve steps developed by AA as a system of recovery. All of these groups are ostensibly &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&amp;rls=en&amp;amp;q=%22each+group+has+but+one+primary+purpose%22&amp;sourceid=opera&amp;amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8"&gt;focused solely&lt;/a&gt; on the addiction or condition they each target. This keeps controversy to a minimum and recovery from the particular addiction or condition primary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;AA is the most no-nonsense of the groups and the one I have the most experience with. During my first six years of recovery in the second half of the 1980s I went to seven to ten meetings a week, mostly AA with some NA, AlAnon, and ACOA thrown in. AA seemed to be the place where people most often actually got better. In the other groups, I felt that things often got bogged down in the illness and skimped on the recovery part. That may have been denial on my part, but that is the logic I used at the time and I kept clean and sober, which is something I was utterly unable to do alone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After that first six years, and some traumatic experiences with people in 12 step recovery, I moved away and slowed down on meetings for a while. When I moved again, I went back to almost daily meetings for another few years, but then finally stopped going when I moved once again. I haven't been to any meetings for a couple of years now, and my life has improved as a result. I have been clean and sober over 21 years now, something I am grateful for, as I never would have made it this far while still using, and I never would have gotten sober without 12 step programs. I am pretty lucky to have survived my active addiction as it was. I don't think I would have made it this far using. I won't rule out going back to a 12 step program, but right now its not on the horizon for a number of reasons I'll eventually go into.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I was in &lt;a href="http://www.life-healing.com/"&gt;trauma rehab&lt;/a&gt; a few years ago for my ptsd, 12 step programs were part of the recovery agenda. What I discovered there though was that people from twelve step programs were part of my trauma and meetings were a trigger. Ultimately, I stopped going to meetings while at the treatment center, something I think is kind of unusal, but they and I decided it was better to skip the meetings and the attendant flashbacks than to go. I wasn't about to run out the door and get drunk. My drug and alcohol addiction is not really an issue any more. Its the underlying problems that mess up my life, most of which are trauma and ptsd related. If I pick up, maybe I'll make it back to the rooms, maybe not, but I have no desire to use anymore. It just is no longer a part of my life and that's that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I mentioned in my &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-me.html"&gt;first post&lt;/a&gt; that ptsd combined with alcoholism or drug addiction made recovery from any of them &lt;a href="http://www.bhrm.org/guidelines/PTSD.pdf"&gt;much more challenging&lt;/a&gt; (pdf). Because individual 12 step groups are focused on single issues, they tend to push aside all other issues. The ones that don't do this, like ACOA in my own experience, are the ones that get bogged down in negativity and never get around to the recovery aspects. So it is sort of a bind. There are some 12 step groups that seem to be aware of this, like &lt;a href="http://draonline.org/dual_diagnosis.html"&gt;Dual Recovery Anonymous&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.l"&gt;Trauma Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;, but I don't have any direct experience with them and the other programs' meetings that I went to at the time I went were adamant in their single purpose.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This made me feel like some kind of fuck-up, like I wasn't getting it, or I was lazy, or just not doing the steps right. If it doesn't work, the people that are invested in it working -- remember, their very lives depend on it working -- tend to blame the person it is not working for. They have to. I can't be the program that doesn't work, they have to much invested in it for it not to work, so it must be ME that is at fault and if I just got over it/got off the pity pot/accepted it/forgave/stuffed my anger/worked the steps harder then I'd be fine like them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I left. This was hard. AA trains you to think that if you stop going you will pick up eventually, and maybe that is so. A lot of people that go regularly end up picking up too though. Nonetheless, my fear of living without going to meetings was an obstacle to leaving, especially since I had already tried to get sober by working the steps on my own and it failed miserably. I have sort of thought all this through and in some ways de-programmed myself with some help from my friends.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think single purpose 12 step groups are made for a certain type of addict, and this single focus works for them but not for all addicts. I'll go into that next post. If you have read this far, let me know what you think by leaving a comment!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113192154708888538?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113192154708888538/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113192154708888538' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113192154708888538'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113192154708888538'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-12-step-programs.html' title='ptsd and 12 step programs'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113183871381472775</id><published>2005-11-12T14:40:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2005-12-06T00:53:43.960-08:00</updated><title type='text'>my ongoing recovery from ptsd</title><content type='html'>OK, two days ago, I told a little of &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-me.html"&gt;what my ptsd was/is like&lt;/a&gt; and yesterday I talked about &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-meds.html"&gt;meds and ptsd&lt;/a&gt;. Both were a little intense, so today, I'll talk a little about what has gone right over the past couple of years.  In many ways, I have been very fortunate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First of all I have gotten away from the really sick people in my life that I seemed - and am still capable of -- attracting. For me this involved finally clearing out of 12 step programs and hanging around with what they call "earth people" -- normal people without all the problems and twisted personalities  that go along with addictions. I probably owe my life to this. I had a knack for being able to immediately pick out the sickest person in the rooms -- it was whoever I was most attracted to. I still have the knack, but now when I bring home strays, the other people in my life will point out how sick and twisted/ dishonest/ manipulative/ uncaring/ unreliable the person is, all stuff I have a hard time seeing, no doubt as a result of normalizing all the trauma in my life.  But now instead of being re-traumatized by these people, in spite of their best efforts, I can laugh at myself and move away and on with my identity intact. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second, I relied on this support network of sane people to help me get help. They really came through...from people on my job, to friends with advice or timely loans or frequent flier miles, -- especially to my partner.   There is where I have been kind of lucky, because it was a chance thing and some decisions I made that put me in the situation where I first made friends with these earth people, but it has made all the differnece.  Find sane friends!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bouncing ideas off these people helped me put together a non-abusive therapeutic support system, a first for me. There are a lot of bad shrinks and indifferent psychiatrists out there, and left to my own devices, I managed to find the sickest of them, which was hurtful to my recovery. One of the major issues I have to work on in therapy is trusting the therapist. I can dissociate and talk about anything that happened, but I don't trust my therapist enough to show how those things actually make me feel. This has slowed things down tremendously, but I am really cautious, having been really screwed over by therapists who ranged from incompetent to &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming"&gt;evil charlatans&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One thing I have observed is that addictions counselers, who often only have a BA, tend to be awful. A lot of them are really sick recovering addicts or co-dependents who are doing it out of some "save the world, aren't I wonderful now" perspective. Addictions counselors also seem to draw a higher ratio of scam artists using new-agy crap to suck in vulnerable people than therapists with more education who have met more stringent requirements of a higher degree.  Not to be an education snob...two of the worst therapists I have had were PhDs or MDs...but the very worst, and most evil and ignorant, have all been addictions counselors peddling alternative, new agey crap as therapy. So I am not saying that all addictions counselers are bad, just that they are not qualified to deal with ptsd, they get in over their heads, and instead of admitting it they laid stuff on me, which I being dutifully trained in the 12 steps, took on and internalized. So if you have ptsd, or you are seeing an addictions counselor and they are blaming you for your lack of recovery or progress, clear out. Find somebody qualified. That especially qualifies if they are pedalling new age remedies. RUN!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So that is what to avoid. What we looked for, first and foremost, was someone who listened and actively tried to find out what my needs were. I think that is more important than whether the person is a cognitive behavioralist or a jungian analyst or whatever. The next thing was to pay attention to the training. All the best of the therapists I have had (and two of the worst, so it is not a sure shot) have been Ph.Ds. Third thing is to find out what there method of treatment is for ptsd. Is it a formula that they impose? These can be retraumatizing, especially if they don't work and the therapist then blames you. Look for somebody that will work with you to make the changes that you want, at your own pace, not somebody that promises to fix you with a twenty step protocol.  I say this even though I am doing a 20 step protocol with my present shrink, but we stop and adjust and there is a "let's try this and see" approach rather than a promise of a cure at the end.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately, &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-meds.html"&gt;meds&lt;/a&gt; have been a crucial part in making me stable enough to function. I think they mask my emotions and subdue them somewhat, but I am not overwhelmed and constantly being retriggered anymore. This has made me stable enough to stay off &lt;a href="http://www.ptsdmanual.com/ptsdss.htm"&gt;Social Security&lt;/a&gt; and keep a job, which I wasn't able to do before. The stabilty, though it has come at a cost, has made my life a lot more bearable and made progress possible. Hopefull as I grow more stable I'll be able to continue to ease back on the meds and be able to deal with the underlying damage without them. That remains to be seen though, and I am not in a hurry. My psychiatrist works with me on this rather than just telling me what to do. She pays attention to how I tell her I am feeling. I often don't like what she has to say (usually something to the effect of "slow down") but I have learned to respect what she has to say because she listens and responds to what I am saying, not to some pre-supposed path laid out by the pharmaceutical companies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Exercise and meditation are both good things but difficult. For a long time, I couldn't go running or work out because it would trigger me really badly, I'd go into a rage and break down crying. It sucked. I used to meditate, but after the last round of trauma, I couldn't clear my mind. Anytime I had a moment of stillness, memories would come flooding back and overwhelm me. I also learned yoga, but I had to work on that a lot. Some of the cult abuse I had happen to me involved misappropriations of meditation, yoga, tai-chi and other non-western mental/spiritual practices, so I had to do a lot of work to reclaim them. I'll talk about that more sometime. Anyway, I couldn't do yoga in a group at the Y because it would trigger flashbacks, so I got a really good teacher who did Kripalu yoga, which is one of the mellower less stressful kinds, perfect for me. That was really good, but I stopped practicing it. I have a hard time making the time for that or meditation even though I know they are good things. Maybe I'll be able to yet. I was running again recently, and really liking it, -- no flashbacks or intrusive thinking -- but hurt my knee, so I have to be careful about that for now.   But I know that all this stuff that I'm not really doing is good for recovery.  So is a good diet, another thing I have trouble with (&lt;a href="http://www.garynull.com/Issues/Sugar/SugarResponse.pdf"&gt;sugar addiction&lt;/a&gt;[pdf]).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another big help has been acupuncture and some massage. Here I was quite leary of drifting back into the realm of the new age, but I found a good no-nonsense acupuncturist with the help of an acupuncturist friend from another city. I'll talk about that more too maybe, but the type I do is called "Five elements." It is supposed to be more attuned with emotional issues as a part of overall wellness than some other forms of acupuncture. Again, I haven't had time for it recently but will probably go back soon. I am especially skittish about the massage, because again, part of the cult abuse involved very new agey "body work" the goal of which was to work all the money out of my family's bank account, even at the cost of destroying it. So I go slow there too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A lot of people might wonder, does spirituality come into all this? Isn't that part of recovery? For a lot of people it is, but some of the worst abuse I have had in my life has been spiritual abuse, most commonly of the form of screwing me over and claiming it was "meant to happen" or "happened for a reason" or it was "god's plan" and that I need to stuff my anger and forgive them (if they even admitted to doing anything wrong!). This is a real mindfuck, and an over-simplification of what happened, too, and I really struggle with spirituality as a result. It used to be a big part of my life (not organized religion, but spirituality) but some people really betrayed me and used it as a cover and it no longer works for me. I have come to terms with that somewhat, but I'll have more to say about it later maybe, as I know other people struggle with this, and you won't find any guidance for spiritual abuse in 12 step rooms. You are more likely to encounter the abuse there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My life is a lot more liveable today than it was a year ago, or two or three or five. I can stand being in my own skin. I am able to be present a lot better. I am a lot less driven by demons than I was. I can work.  I have a wonderful network of supportive friends.  I still have a ways to go and lots of recovering and growing to do, but in some respects, I have never been doing better in my life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, it has turned into another long post. If you actually read this, plz leave a comment and let me know!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113183871381472775?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113183871381472775/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113183871381472775' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113183871381472775'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113183871381472775'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/my-ongoing-recovery-from-ptsd.html' title='my ongoing recovery from ptsd'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113176594120080765</id><published>2005-11-11T18:22:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-09T11:36:02.712-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='12-step'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='12 step programs'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='therapy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='medication'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trauma'/><title type='text'>ptsd and meds</title><content type='html'>[2/2010: one reader asked for people to share what has and has not worked for them concerning meds.  If you have had good or bad experience with any particular prescribed meds, share it in the comments please.]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've been some sort of human guinea pig for the better part of a decade. After one trip to the mental hospital I went on &lt;a href="http://www2.netdoor.com/%7Ebill/prosurv/prosurv.html"&gt;Prozac&lt;/a&gt; when that first came out. I didn't like it and quit after a few months. At the time I had no insurance to speak of and didn't trust the mental health profession at all. A few years later, I was trying to get things under control and got diagnosed with &lt;a href="http://www.ocfoundation.org/"&gt;Obsessive Compulsive Disorder&lt;/a&gt; (OCD). They put me on a clinical trial for a drug that was used for something else altogether. I got markedly suicidal, and when I reported that, the doctor would interpret his questionaire number scores and say I was improving, completely ignoring what I was saying! I discontued the drug and the trial. A year or so later, I went to a shrink. The shrink sent me to a psychiatrist, who was this guy who smoked in his office. He barely even met with me and put me on Zoloft. I took it and got suicidal. He upped the dosage, things got worse, so he upped the dosage again and things got worse again. He wanted to up it some more. At this point I quit...He wasn't paying any attention to what was going on with me, just following some formula with the drug being pitched by the pharmaceutical companies that week.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A few years later, right before the ptsd got really bad I decided to go back into therapy, this time with a psychiatrist so he would actually listen to what I was saying. The guy wanted to put me on &lt;a href="http://www.celexa.com/"&gt;Celexa&lt;/a&gt; and pulled out this tinker toy model of a neurotransmitter reaction (serotonin reuptake inhibition, to be exact) that was right out of the Parke Davis sales kit. It was like Amway or a tupperware party or something. He turned out to be a real jackass and I cursed him out and left mid-session after he did something really unethical concerning my privacy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After that the ptsd kicked in with the flashbacks and all the other stuff I described yesterday. I didn't want to take any drugs at this point, but we were desperate. My wife did some research and found out &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/choosing-therapist-for-people-with.html"&gt;some stuff about picking psychiatrists and psychologists&lt;/a&gt; and called around, interviewing some people. We finally found a good psychiatrist and therapist. The psychiatrist actually listened to what I said about the previous drugs and tried one that acts on something other than serotonin. So we started with effexor. No side effects from this, but not much in the way of front effects either. I had done some research and suggested we try Naltrexone, a drug used to stop cravings in addicts, thinking that some of my problems (picking and ripping out skin, compulsive masturbation) were maybe related to addiction problems) It helped with those things a little, but not with the main problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then I went to the treatment center I mentioned yesterday, and there they slowly got me on a total cocktail: Effexor, Naltrexone, Wellbutrin, Trazadone to sleep, and zyprexa, an anti-psychotic that finally helped with the flashbacks. Later, we switched the zyprexa to geodon, a related anti-psychotic without some of the side effects. Then a year or so ago, we added seroquel to the mix at night and I worked my way off the trazadone. That helped with the intrusive thinking. So until recently my drug cocktail looked like this: 450mg Welbutrin, 300mg Effexor , 100mg Naltrexone, 140mg Geodon, and 100mg Seroquel. I finally started to get some stability.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My favorite discussion of the drugs is the two anti-psychotics, because the doctors always said it like one word: It is an anti-psychoticbutyournotpsychotic. The flyers for these (the seroquel and the geodon) are kinda scary, because the FDA hasn't approved them for anything but schizophrenia, so that is all they talk about. A little searching around on the web showed anti-psychotics were being tried for ptsd as a "second line" if serotonin-reuptake inhibitors like Prozac and Zoloft didn't work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lately I have been trying to cut down some of the dosages. We started with the Geodon, because that made me dopey and gave me a real flat affect. Got that down to 20mg, but the ptsd, depression, and anxiety started to come back so the dose went back up to 40mg. That seems ok. Now We are trying reducing the Seroquel, the other real powerful one. I am down to 50mg on that and so far so good.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[update...Feb. 2010.  I am off the Seroquel, but had to reintroduce the Trazodon...I know split the lowest dosage pill (5MG?) in half and take one of those to sleep.  Just can't seem to sleep otherwise.  I take Seroquel about once every three months or so if I have a really bad day and I'm having intrusive thoughts that won't stop through non-chemical means.  Most recently, I phased out the Naltrexone, which seemed to make no difference.  Earlier, when I tried to get off Effexor, it was a disaster, so that is staying for the foreseeable future.  You should read the two posts on Effexor (&lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/12/battle-of-effexor.html"&gt;Battle of the Effexor&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2006/08/joy-of-meds-effexor-withdrawal-and-oh.html"&gt;Joy of Meds: Effexor withdrawal&lt;/a&gt;) BEFORE going on it, though, so you know what you are in for. So now the cocktail is 40mg Geodon, 150mg Effexor, 300mg Wellbutrin, and 2.5mg Trazodone.]  Mazeltof!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is it like taking so many drugs? My sex drive changed a lot...It kind of went to hell for the most part, but the compulsive parts stopped too, so its a mixed bag. It takes me a year to pee -- no water pressure, -- and I am constantly mildly constipated (sorry for the details). People have noticed I am a lot livelier since cutting down on the geodon, so that is good. Ultimately I'd love to be off them all, but that might not work, and at this point I am willing to face that rather than facing a return to the worst of the ptsd symptoms.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It kind of sucks to have gotten sober for so long and then be reliant on drugs to be able to function, but that is the way it goes. Anyway, any 12-stepper who actually reads the literature knows that if a doctor tells you to take a medicine that you take it, as directed, which is what I do. Some 12 step folks think it is cheating or a cop out, but they don't have to scrape me up off the floor after a flashback either so they can go s....well never mind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For me, the point of all this is that it paid off to be persistent in finding good people to help me and to have &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2007/08/loving-and-supportive-network-of.html"&gt;some really supportive people&lt;/a&gt; around. I have been really lucky that way. 12 step people talked about being there, but weren't. I was sober for a long time and it freaked people out that I was having problems. Some of them were nice and understanding, but the people that took care of me for real had nothing to do with 12 step programs. They just talked the talk with me and seldom came through. I don't want to get too down on the program, because it did save my life earlier, but it also really screwed me up in terms of trauma and recovery from it. Maybe I'll go into that some other time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, I am privileged. I am at a point in life where not only do I have people that care about me enough to give me the support I need (a lot less these days), but I have insurance to cover the therapy and the real expensive drugs, and found the financial wherewithal to go to treatment even when it wasn't covered by insurance (even though we went into lots of credit card and family debt...my wife's family...my family wouldn't acknowledge that there was a problem). If I hadn't gotten those things, I'd probably be dead, locked up, or homeless. So I am pretty privileged to be walking around and functioning like a regular human being, and I think about that when I see people who are homeless or down and out. That's something I'll have &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-race-class-homelessness-and-money.html"&gt;more to say on&lt;/a&gt; at some point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, if you have read this far, thanks! Let me know that you read it, ok?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113176594120080765?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113176594120080765/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113176594120080765' title='11 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113176594120080765'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113176594120080765'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-meds.html' title='ptsd and meds'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>11</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842224.post-113164962195281390</id><published>2005-11-10T10:50:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-03-05T17:02:03.179-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dissociation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Addiction'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='12-step'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='AA'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='friends'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='PTSD'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='therapy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='flashbacks'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='trauma'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='relationships'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='12 step programs'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pseudo-seizures'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='medication'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='betrayal'/><title type='text'>ptsd and me</title><content type='html'>OK, the description by the title says a lot about what I want to do here, but let me tell you a little about me. I'm a white guy (but a bit of a race traitor), mid-40s, good job that I'll never get rich from but pays the bills and is fun. I'm happily married, live in a beautiful place, and life is pretty good -- when I can be present for it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also have severe, chronic, complex, delayed onset ptsd. It makes my life challenging, but now that I know what it is, I at least have a handle on what was and is happening to me. PTSD is of course, post-traumatic stress disorder. Let me go through the other parts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Severe? The last major run-in with it put me out of work for over a year. I had about 120 flashbacks over the course of about seven weeks, what get called &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/12/ptsd-flashbacks-and-pseudo-seizures.html"&gt;pseudo-seizures&lt;/a&gt; -- they look like regular seizures but I remained somewhat conscious and aware of my surroundings, though sometimes delusional about that. When I came out of them I wouldn't know what day it was or be able to remember how long ago they happened. Maybe I'll go into more detail about them sometime, but they totally freaked us (my wife and me) out. We had no idea what these were or what to do about them at first.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There was more: intense crying jags, incredible bodily pain (I had an operation for hemorrhoids, which is supposed to be about the most painful recovery you can imagine, and ptsd was worse -- though I wouldn't want to repeat either), and something called intrusive thinking...memories of traumatic events triggered by anything, everything, and nothing; lost forty pounds, couldn't sleep, sex life totally fucked up (part of my trauma is sexual abuse, something I'm still trying to deal with), couldn't focus enough to read, self harm (ripping chunks of flesh out for example), and there was probably more I cannot remember. Ummm, no fun.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We (actually, mostly my partner) &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/choosing-therapist-for-people-with.html"&gt;did a lot of research&lt;/a&gt; when the flashbacks started and I ended up in a &lt;a href="http://www.life-healing.com/"&gt;treatment center&lt;/a&gt; for ptsd (Here's &lt;a href="http://www.themeadows.org/homepage.asp"&gt;another good one&lt;/a&gt;, and a &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/comprehensive-list-of-us-treatment.html"&gt;comprehensive list for the US&lt;/a&gt;). It didn't cure me, but it gave me some tools to help manage things. Slowly, with lots of &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-meds.html"&gt;medication&lt;/a&gt; (which I struggled against), therapy, and lifestyle changes, some of the harsher symptoms have gotten better over the past few years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Chronic? I have come to realize that I have had some version of ptsd for most of my life, but it has been treated and mistreated and outright abused under a bunch of different names.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/x_mass/197601.html"&gt;Complex&lt;/a&gt;? Well, let's see...It starts with childhood sexual abuse (which I still struggle with identifying because as a kid I normalized it and my family of origin is in complete denial -- so much so that I am no longer in touch with them -- too crazy-making), neglect, emotional and verbal abuse, depression, and substance abuse. I left home at a young age and added physical abuse and more sexual abuse onto that from street life. I developed a nasty drug and alcohol addiction, something pretty common for ptsd sufferers (I've been clean now for more than twenty years, but other addictive behaviors have haunted me) and became occasionally homeless. The depression continued, I was suicidal. Substance addictions, sexual acting out (nothing violent, but stuff that I'm ashamed of) combined with intense isolation and loneliness contributed to having a really miserable existence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After getting clean in 12 step programs, my attraction to &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2008/12/toxic-relationships.html"&gt;sick, twisted people&lt;/a&gt; (also part of my ptsd) caused more trauma, some of it worse than the substance abuse addiction. Cult abuse, some serious, life changing betrayals by people I trusted and opened up to, suicide attempts, two three-week stays in the loony bin: I wasn't getting the "happy, joyous, and free" promised by 12 step programs. For their part, 12-steppers (and I guess my own internalized twelve step training) often &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2007/07/more-on-type-b-addicts-12-steps-and.html"&gt;blamed me when things didn't work&lt;/a&gt;, saying I was just not doing things right somehow rather than seeing something was wrong that &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-12-step-programs.html"&gt;the program couldn't -- and wasn't designed to -- fix&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Severe spiritual and therapist abuse compounded the traumas rather than treating them. This has been a major challenge in my recovery from ptsd. Trust is a problem. A lot of times I don't even trust that the world is not going to disappear beneath my feet. On bad days, every step is an adventure, like walking on a rotted out rooftop or thin ice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So yeah, its complex.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Delayed onset? The flashbacks started nine years after the events that caused them, long after I was supposedly "over it." In hindsight, I was displaying symptoms of ptsd the whole time, but no one recognized them as such. &lt;a href="http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-meds.html"&gt;I got diagnosed&lt;/a&gt; with depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder, and a few other things and got put on whatever drugs the pharmaceutical companies were plugging that week with awful results.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I thought I was a sex addict and went to those meetings for a while, but they all had sex with other people. My problem was with porn and compulsive masturbation. I used this as a painkiller because nothing else worked and I was not about to give up sobriety -- too scared of people to act out any other way. Sometimes internet porn would eat up whole days every day. It is something I still struggle with and will write about more, but I didn't feel safe or supported in the twelve step rooms for sex addicts. My sponsor there was hitting on me under the guise of male intimacy and spirituality and others were perpetrators of stuff that I had been a victim of and were having a hard time seeing it as a problem. Not a safe place for me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm actually pretty fed up with twelve step programs even though at the time I got sober they no doubt saved my life. Here's what &lt;a href="http://www.bhrm.org/guidelines/PTSD.pdf"&gt;one study&lt;/a&gt; (.pdf file) has to say about it:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Messages in substance abuse treatment such as Dont work on the PTSD until youve been clean for a year or Substance abuse is the only problem you need to focus on, while well-intentioned, can be perceived as invalidating of clients trauma history. . . clients and clinicians report that when a client has PTSD, getting clean and sober is a bigger hurdle and such traditional methods may not work as well. For example, the tendency for PTSD memories and feelings to worsen as clients get clean is a common phenomenon. . . . Sadly, clients with the dual diagnosis of PTSD and substance abuse have worse outcomes than those with either disorder alone, and may internalize a sense of failure when they do not succeed in standard treatment programs that work for others. Feeling crazy, lazy, or bad is common-- a sense of demoralization, self-blame, and a feeling of something being terribly wrong with them. . . . initial evidence suggests that working on PTSD and substance abuse in an integrated fashion results in positive outcomes in both of these disorders, as well as related areas. Contrary to older views, treating both PTSD and substance abuse at the same time appears to help clients with their substance abuse recovery, rather than derailing them from attaining abstinence. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I got sober under the "older" model. Against the odds, I didn't pick up. When people at the treatment center heard my story, they were amazed that I stayed sober through it. But drugs and alcohol were a hell I didn't want to go back to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyway, that's a little of my "war story." One last thing for now: I have talked to people who have combat ptsd, and the symptoms don't seem a whole lot different, even if the causes seem different. My ptsd is pretty un-macho, though, so if that offends or you can't deal or you think I just need to get over it, maybe you need to look elsewhere or start your own blog. I have no desire to play the ptsd version of what &lt;a href="http://humwww.ucsc.edu/CultStudies/PUBS/Inscriptions/vol_7/Davis.html"&gt;Elizabeth Martinez&lt;/a&gt; calls the "&lt;a href="http://www.o-dub.com/weblog/2004/02/one-more-thing-about-oppression.html"&gt;oppression olympics&lt;/a&gt;." &lt;/p&gt;I guess the next thing I'll do is post some links. Leave a comment if you read this, let me know someone is there.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/18842224-113164962195281390?l=ptsdme.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/feeds/113164962195281390/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18842224&amp;postID=113164962195281390' title='56 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113164962195281390'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18842224/posts/default/113164962195281390'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ptsdme.blogspot.com/2005/11/ptsd-and-me.html' title='ptsd and me'/><author><name>ptsd guy</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>56</thr:total></entry></feed>
